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JRutledge Wed Dec 21, 2016 05:49pm

Video Request (This is the thread) - December 21, 2016
 
If you have a video request, please make that request here. I will try to get up all the request tonight.

If the play is unusual or even a block-charge situation I will try to get them up.

All games I am monitoring are on the ESPN Networks and even a couple of CBS Sports games.

Peace

Rich Wed Dec 21, 2016 07:51pm

The Allen (Duke) technical foul. The clip is on ESPN right now, but an extended clip to show the post-T outburst would be entertaining.

BigCat Wed Dec 21, 2016 07:55pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 995503)
The Allen (Duke) technical foul. The clip is on ESPN right now, but an extended clip to show the post-T outburst would be entertaining.

It's bordering on a disorder at this point. Kid has issues.

Camron Rust Wed Dec 21, 2016 08:11pm

Good call...and I haven't even seen the play yet. ;)

BigCat Wed Dec 21, 2016 08:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 995505)
Good call...and I haven't even seen the play yet. ;)

It is on espn website under top stories

JRutledge Wed Dec 21, 2016 08:29pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 995503)
The Allen (Duke) technical foul. The clip is on ESPN right now, but an extended clip to show the post-T outburst would be entertaining.

I have the time as 4:15 in the first half. I did record that game.

Peace

JRutledge Wed Dec 21, 2016 09:46pm

Duke Play Coming up.......
 
Duke vs. Elon Play #1:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/QQaw3T3wyPM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Peace

Adam Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:01pm

Oh wow. This kid is going to have a hard time living an adult life if he doesn't learn how to deal with things better.

JRutledge Thu Dec 22, 2016 12:30am

Kentucky @ Louisville
 
Play #1:
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/JURUvJ5VwPo" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Play #2:
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/84Lhgn19moY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Play #3:
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/vucKnNSQVLQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Play #4:
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/3RpavLgnvVA" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Play #5:
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/sGyJDBfhB1I" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Play#6:
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/ZiV3V_SrBTI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Play #7:
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/ifroI_JHOtw" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Play #8:
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/r9xV-8qoP8E" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Play #9:
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/9Md--MYjE7Y" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Peace

Camron Rust Thu Dec 22, 2016 01:52am

1. INC...should have been a travel
2. CC...charge...defender had both feet down, in the path and facing and stopped moving forward just before contact
3. CC...charge...dribbler leaned into the defender to knock him out of the way
4. CC...block....defender had a foot over the arc when he got position.
5. CC...block...defender never really got into the path and was in the arc anyway.
6. INC...should have been block for jumping towards the shooter.
7. CC....early in the rebounding action, he pushed #3 deeper by a couple of feet. The later action was insignificant.
8. CC...one hand shove put him off balance and at risk of a turnover.
9. CNC...screener had position in plenty of time and didn't chuck the guard. The guard didn't see it in time to stop and didn't run trough it.

Raymond Thu Dec 22, 2016 09:42am

Play 5 is a block, but RA does not apply as this was the primary Defender.

Play 7 I have nothing, I don't think Jamie had the best angle to call that play.
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TriggerMN Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:09am

I caught the tail end of it, but can you please post the play at 6:44 of the 1st half in the Duke-Elon game? I believe it was a play involving the new rule regarding elbows/defense in offensive player's space/whatever we're calling it. Thank you!

JRutledge Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:45am

Quote:

Originally Posted by TriggerMN (Post 995538)
I caught the tail end of it, but can you please post the play at 6:44 of the 1st half in the Duke-Elon game? I believe it was a play involving the new rule regarding elbows/defense in offensive player's space/whatever we're calling it. Thank you!

Well here is the play.

Looks like a good call and the offensive player had their arms at a 90 degree angle to make a normal basketball move.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/cxMstITYV5k" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Peace

WhistlesAndStripes Thu Dec 22, 2016 12:37pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 995512)
Duke vs. Elon Play #1:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/QQaw3T3wyPM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Peace

There's just something about Grayson Allen that indicates he's not right in the head. He's a tremendous basketball player, but this is the third time in less than a year that he's pulled this kind of crap. And then the meltdown on the bench? Really? He knew he screwed up. He needs a shrink.

I'm glad to see Coach K had suspended him indefinitely. He deserves nothing less. It will be interesting to see how long the suspension lasts. Any guesses?

JRutledge Thu Dec 22, 2016 12:44pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes (Post 995563)
There's just something about Grayson Allen that indicates he's not right in the head. He's a tremendous basketball player, but this is the third time in less than a year that he's pulled this kind of crap. And then the meltdown on the bench? Really? He knew he screwed up. He needs a shrink.

I'm glad to see Coach K had suspended him indefinitely. He deserves nothing less. It will be interesting to see how long the suspension lasts. Any guesses?

He is like a lot of kids in this generation. He has likely been coddled by adults his whole life and the fact he is a good athlete, that to me probably had made it worse. It is not like the decision was made without video. He has to know that. And his coach should have known that as well. I just think we give these kids so many passes most of their life, we are surprised when a 21 year old acts like he is 10.

Peace

Camron Rust Thu Dec 22, 2016 01:23pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 995548)
Well here is the play.

Looks like a good call and the offensive player had their arms at a 90 degree angle to make a normal basketball move.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/cxMstITYV5k" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Peace

I absolutely hate that rule....making a defender in great LGP get out of the way of the opponent's elbows is just bad.

JRutledge Thu Dec 22, 2016 01:27pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 995567)
I absolutely hate that rule....making a defender in great LGP get out of the way of the opponent's elbows is just bad.

They wanted to discourage defenders simply crowding the ball handler and in turn allowing more freedom of movement with the offense and allowing more scoring. And this along with other rules have encouraged just that, more offense.

Peace

AremRed Thu Dec 22, 2016 03:17pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 995535)
Play 5 is a block, but RA does apply as this was the primary Defender.

Do you mean "RA does not apply"?

Camron Rust Thu Dec 22, 2016 03:25pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 995568)
They wanted to discourage defenders simply crowding the ball handler and in turn allowing more freedom of movement with the offense and allowing more scoring. And this along with other rules have encouraged just that, more offense.

Peace

That is fine, but it is not working that way. This defender was in no way crowding the offense. The rule needs some fine tuning. A defender should be able to take any vertical position short of contact. If there is not enough room for another to make a move, too bad. That is essence of defense.

Most of the crowding situations they really needed to clean up involved actually creating contact....bellying up.

Raymond Thu Dec 22, 2016 03:39pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 995581)
Do you mean "RA does not apply"?

Yes... let me go back and fix that

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Raymond Thu Dec 22, 2016 03:42pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 995583)
That is fine, but it is not working that way. This defender was in no way crowding the offense. The rule needs some fine tuning. A defender should be able to take any vertical position short of contact. If there is not enough room for another to make a move, too bad. That is essence of defense.

Most of the crowding situations they really needed to clean up involved actually creating contact....bellying up.

You need to let the coaches, ADs, and Commissioners know that, because they specifically said they want the offensive player to have room to make a move.

The play posted is textbook of what they want us to call as a cylinder foul.

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JRutledge Thu Dec 22, 2016 04:06pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 995583)
That is fine, but it is not working that way. This defender was in no way crowding the offense. The rule needs some fine tuning. A defender should be able to take any vertical position short of contact. If there is not enough room for another to make a move, too bad. That is essence of defense.

Most of the crowding situations they really needed to clean up involved actually creating contact....bellying up.

As stated, this was the argument against the previous interpretations of the NCAA that the offensive player should be able to have room to move or even create space in order to make a move. Now, officials did not make this rule. Coaches, ADs and administrators did as they are the main ones that sit on the committee. I do not believe the Supervisor of Officials is actually on the committee at all. So when these plays took place in the past, the defense was, "They should have space to move." Well they got rid of that on some level. It is not about if I agree with it, that is the rule now. They want defenders to give them room. And if you saw the video examples that the NCAA put out there to support this rule, this looks like all the plays where this is a foul on the defender.

Peace

Camron Rust Thu Dec 22, 2016 04:34pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 995587)
As stated, this was the argument against the previous interpretations of the NCAA that the offensive player should be able to have room to move or even create space in order to make a move. Now, officials did not make this rule. Coaches, ADs and administrators did as they are the main ones that sit on the committee. I do not believe the Supervisor of Officials is actually on the committee at all. So when these plays took place in the past, the defense was, "They should have space to move." Well they got rid of that on some level. It is not about if I agree with it, that is the rule now. They want defenders to give them room. And if you saw the video examples that the NCAA put out there to support this rule, this looks like all the plays where this is a foul on the defender.

Peace

Understood.

I just think, like the elbow rule, the initial result isn't exactly what they really wanted. It may be what they asked for, though. I think it will be refined some as defenders in good position get tagged with silly fouls (like the one above).

Ultimately, the elbow rule was revised after several nonsense intentional fouls were called that really were not the intended target of the changes. I see this one going the same way.


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