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Old Sun Dec 18, 2016, 09:13pm
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Compromise at the Monitor?

Late in the Butler/Indiana game (inside 20 seconds left if someone can pull video), out of bounds call going Butler's way goes to review. Review clearly shows Butler guy (Chrabascz) losing possession due to an Indiana hack, but ball was never touched by Indiana. Ball stayed with Butler.

Is the NCAA expectation to compromise in such instance?
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Old Sun Dec 18, 2016, 09:49pm
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I dont know how the NCAA rule is written but someone could really stretch 9-3-1 in NFHS.
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Old Sun Dec 18, 2016, 10:13pm
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Do you mean because they did not call the foul, they give it to the player (team) that was fouled on the monitor?

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Old Sun Dec 18, 2016, 10:32pm
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Do you mean because they did not call the foul, they give it to the player (team) that was fouled on the monitor?

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Old Sun Dec 18, 2016, 11:42pm
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IIRC, the overhead shot was the one that definitively showed that the Butler player was the last to touch the ball.

Tough call to go against Indiana.
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Old Mon Dec 19, 2016, 12:35pm
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Late in the Butler/Indiana game (inside 20 seconds left if someone can pull video), out of bounds call going Butler's way goes to review. Review clearly shows Butler guy (Chrabascz) losing possession due to an Indiana hack, but ball was never touched by Indiana. Ball stayed with Butler.

Is the NCAA expectation to compromise in such instance?

Yes, that is exactly the NCAA expectation. The monitor clearly shows you missed a foul, so you should double down and award the ball to the wrong team, even though anyone with a set of eyes can tell should be going the other way.
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Old Mon Dec 19, 2016, 12:56pm
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Yes, that is exactly the NCAA expectation. The monitor clearly shows you missed a foul, so you should double down and award the ball to the wrong team, even though anyone with a set of eyes can tell should be going the other way.
Can you elaborate where you get this expectation from? I'm curious.
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Old Mon Dec 19, 2016, 12:58pm
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Can you elaborate where you get this expectation from? I'm curious.
I think he meant to use blue text, but what do I know.
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Old Tue Dec 20, 2016, 01:51am
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Late in the Butler/Indiana game (inside 20 seconds left if someone can pull video), out of bounds call going Butler's way goes to review. Review clearly shows Butler guy (Chrabascz) losing possession due to an Indiana hack, but ball was never touched by Indiana. Ball stayed with Butler.

Is the NCAA expectation to compromise in such instance?
No...you go to the monitor and give it to the correct team. If you miss a foul you have to eat it.
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Old Tue Dec 20, 2016, 10:30am
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No...you go to the monitor and give it to the correct team. If you miss a foul you have to eat it.
I've always thought this was a flaw in the review process. As one miss is correctable and the other is not, the end result becomes farther from the correct answer than the initial ruling was.

The Lakers lost a game some years back, hampered by essentially this play. In late game, OOB was awarded to the Lakers. Review showed clearly that the it was last touched by a Laker -- and that there was a foul. Only the OOB was correctable. I *think* the NBA subsequently tweaked its rule to prevent that scenario, but I could be wrong.
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Old Tue Dec 20, 2016, 12:39pm
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The Lakers lost a game some years back, hampered by essentially this play. In late game, OOB was awarded to the Lakers. Review showed clearly that the it was last touched by a Laker -- and that there was a foul. Only the OOB was correctable. I *think* the NBA subsequently tweaked its rule to prevent that scenario, but I could be wrong.
Still have to eat it.
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