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So I know with certain coaches we have discussed the ramifications of throwing their clothing specifically jacket in the past. Roy Williams just did in his game today. I will see if I can capture a link. Now he didn't throw it on the floor it actually hit a chair and before it had settled a player and manger had both snagged it and were putting it away. I guess the two questions I have are is this t-worthy in this game or at your level. AND does the ability of a manger of assistant coach to catch a thrown object jacket/Marker/etc and pug if away like an intense exchange impact the act and your subsequent response to it?

I don't think there is a threshold for how something was thrown. It's context. I make a call, a coach is unhappy, even takes of his jacket during this sequence "T". Throwing it just makes it more "acceptable" to the masses.

The fact that it didn't hit the floor is irrelevant. It is all about how it was thrown.. Even the fact that it was thrown.

Any action or words that are in disgust of a call are worthy of technicals. Just like if a player said or did something after you called a foul on him.

Now, just because the are "worthy" of techs doesn't mean they have to be called. At this point we're getting into "had to be there" situations.

Does anyone know when this happened?

Peace

1045 first half. It is on cbs sports. Automatic. That clip shows the throw. Doesn't show the play/call.

Here is the entire sequence.

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Peace

Kentucky kid hit NC players legs causing him to fall. Kentucky kid gets ball and falls over NC player....that he caused to fall. Missed the first foul.

If you mean the "undercut" I agree that that could have been and probably should have been a foul.

But if that was not seen and I understand why it was not called with that cluster of players, then the player falling is no longer in LGP and that is why the foul was called.

Peace

The undercut, the first foul, should have been called. Tough call when they say "foul on you because he knocked you down and then he tripped over you."

It happens. Refereeing is hard.

It does happen a lot, and it's not the first time it's happened to Williams, I'm sure.

I can't imagine I'd even have my job if I reacted to others' mistakes like this.

yes, we will make mistakes/not catch things. Everybody knows it. When we do...coach can be frustrated, angry etc...but he can't do that...

You can see on the last part of the clip that blues arm hit back of NC leg to cause fall. I can see how that would be missed.

First foul is missed because the Lead is looking up at the basket instead of the players on the floor.

As Lead, we must have discipline not to follow the ball to the basket. New Center might have seen it had he not been so high at Trail; he gets to the Center position late because of the distance he had to cover. Old Center/New Trail might have seen it had he not started bailing out for no reason.

Announcers, as usual, are clueless.

While it could have been a foul on the UK player, this play was not inconsistent with how similar situations are often called. How often do we see, on rebounding plays, the outside player jumping straight up all the time and being called for a foul when the interior player moves/jumps back. This really isn't any different in that sense. It is pretty common that interior player, whether right or wrong, is given more leeway.

This play was, however different in one way. The UNC player was jumping to block the shot. He was no where near it...then the contact happened as he laneded from trying to block the shot. Even if the UK player didn't back up, the UNC player would have been facing away from the basket and out of position for the rebound. Is it possible they determined it had no possession consequence and passed but then were forced to call something on the subsequent trip?

Anyone who throws objects is getting whacked at any level that I work. That is unsporting behavior. Period.

I agree with the T as given and anyone engaging in the specific acts in the video at any level should be given a T. While in all these situations context and the specific actions are key (not to mention semantics and language choices we use to describe them here).

I guess my concern is that for most of the members of the board when discussing these issues there seems to be a very low threshold for coaches being demonstrative or emotional. If directed at officiating crew or in response to calls I totally agree.

However, A coach can get frustrated or emotional for lots of reasons. As we mentioned in a previous post when discussing how they interact with their own players. I know around this part of Rome unless they are specifically reacting to a call or to an official we don't deal with much of their antics otherwise. If a coach is losing or his kids are turning the ball over and he takes of his tie and chucks it behind the bench I'm not worried about that. If she has just drawn up and inbound play and they get a 5 second call or turn it over coming out of a timeout and she flips her clipboard in disgust we don't go after that either.

I guess the genesis of my question is not whether or not coaches should be allowed to express disgust at officials by throwing things but rather how often to we judge intent or motivation to make these calls. If know/feel like its about me the crew fine. I'm not going to guess that is what they are mad at though. And if I see a marker or board get tossed, unless its directly tied to comment to me or to a call the crew has just made unless it causes a scene I'm probably leaving it alone because that's what my crew is doing.

So in an extreme case where her team comes down out of control and travels and coach chucks her marker towards the bench/wall. And a manager or assist grabs it in mid air or has it ricochet of a chest and they collect it in their lap. With no noise or commotion odds are I don't see it, and unless its tied to a comment or complaint about the call they could just as easily be upset with their player for being out of control. This is what I am wondering about . . .are you guys/gals just T'ing them up for the flip/throw?

Nobody could throw a coat better than Clem Haskins. It would find its way to the bleachers.

I have a hard time seeing a coach throwing things in basketball because of player performance.

+1

I once had a coach react to a PC foul called against his star by turning and throwing a roll of athletic tape into an open bag sitting by the end of the bench. It bounced out onto the floor. I was at C, opposite the table. Partner who had just called from L on that side of the floor had just passed by the coach as he was going to report. I paused, no response from partner, so I whacked him.

When I ran into the coach after the game, he said he didn't think that he deserved it because he THREW IT INTO HIS BAG. I told him that all that really mattered was that HE THREW IT.

Ideally, first foul for me would be on the hook shot when the defender contacted the arm of the shooter.

As for the T....that's an easy one. Not even Williams can dispute the T

To answer your original questions- Yes, this is an easy T at any level, which you seem to agree with above so not sure of the reason for the question in the first place. And No, good hands by the AC or anyone else don't save the coach from the obvious T.

In addressing your "concern" above I would say that I think I have more empathy for coaches than most here. I coached at the HS level and have many friends who coach at the HS and D1 level. I understand the frustration, emotions, etc. in an ultra competitive environment and when your job security is tied, to some extent, to the decisions and execution of 18-22 year old kids.

That said, the expectation is for coaches to control their emotions. When they don't then there are consequences. I had a situation in a HS game many years ago similar to what you allude to above. I don't remember the specifics of what caused the reaction but the coach slammed down his clipboard and marker. I whacked him. He said it wasnt directed at the officials. Again, I don't remember the specifics but I do remember that I wasnt totally buying that it was completely unrelated to frustration with some of the whistles. I told the coach, regardless of whether it was directed at us or not that slamming objects on the ground (and his marker actually came onto the court) was unsporting and unacceptable.

When its obvious that their frustration is something other than the officiating the coach will get some leeway. As you indicated a tie tossed behind the bench or some other demonstrative response to frustration with players can be ignored. But coaches will get little benefit of the doubt if officials think it has anything to do with calls and/or if the coach has been vocally or demonstrably frustrated with calls.

Its really not that hard or an unreasonable expectation to refrain from throwing objects while coaching a basketball game.