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potato Wed Dec 07, 2016 11:38pm

How much contact is usually allowed in officiated game?
 
Asking a realistic question in realistic situations.

Basketball is a contact sports, and while it's easy to spot illegal contacts on players with the ball, it's quite difficult to spot illegal off-ball contacts unless it's too obvious.

So my question is in an officiated game, how much illegal contact is usually allowed, for example off ball plays, typically for rebounds because that is where most of the dirty work happens.

The Rule clearly states you cannot displace, restrict, hand/body check opponents but truth is these things happen quite often and many times go uncalled until things get too hot. So how much is too much?

We don't see this too often in the NBA because they have higher field goal % & players are less motivated to hustle & box out hard for rebounds, but in semi-pro or amateur leagues, hustling is much more intense & frequent, so does illegal contacts, and also fist fights.

AremRed Thu Dec 08, 2016 12:34am

Potato is back!

Adam Thu Dec 08, 2016 01:01am

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 994395)
Potato is back!

I think it was Rut's spin move thread that summoned him.

SNIPERBBB Thu Dec 08, 2016 07:00am

Back in the 90's post play in the NBA was a wrestling match. There is a line between what is legal contact and illegal contact. If you dont know where that line is, things can get or appear to get messy.

BlueDevilRef Thu Dec 08, 2016 07:39am

I think the most prescient answer here is

No blood=no foul

BillyMac Thu Dec 08, 2016 08:27am

Primary Coverage Area ...
 
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Originally Posted by potato (Post 994390)
... and while it's easy to spot illegal contacts on players with the ball, it's quite difficult to spot illegal off-ball contacts unless it's too obvious.

Not true. Basketball officials subscribe to the concept of Primary Coverage Area to avoid not observing off-ball situations.

bob jenkins Thu Dec 08, 2016 09:26am

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Originally Posted by potato (Post 994390)
how much illegal contact is usually allowed, .

None.

Assuming the referee sees what happens, if he doesn't blow the whistle then s/he judged the contact to be legal.

SC Official Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:33am

Depends on if it's a girls or wreck league game and I'm trying to get out of there ASAP.

VaTerp Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:38am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 994403)
None.

Assuming the referee sees what happens, if he doesn't blow the whistle then s/he judged the contact to be legal.

Simply put but worth repeating. Officials do/should not allow any "illegal" contact. If there is no whistle then the official deemed the contact legal/incidental. For NFHS see rule 4-27-2.

Specific to off ball play, I like to pre-game that illegal contact off ball are things we should try to get early and consistently. Rerouting, holding, and obstructing cutters. Displacement in the post (both offense and defense), illegal screens, pushing through screens, etc. This applies to any level of play. The OP also referenced rebounding fouls where often repeated guidelines are to have whistles when there is possession consequence or to clean up rough play.

Generally speaking, the higher the skill level the more players are able to "play through" contact as they are less likely to have marginal contact prevent them from doing normal defensive or offensive movements. Therefore you will see more contact deemed legal.

As another general rule for off ball. If contact moves a player from point A to B and they didnt want to move from point A to B then we should have a foul.

MD Longhorn Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:59am

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Originally Posted by potato (Post 994390)
So my question is in an officiated game, how much illegal contact is usually allowed

The answer is 4.76

JRutledge Thu Dec 08, 2016 12:08pm

Contact can be severe and not be illegal, according the the rulebook. Fouls are determined by illegal contact, not the severity of the contact. It is really that simple.

Peace

UNIgiantslayers Thu Dec 08, 2016 12:12pm

I don't even understand what OP is looking for here. Justification about officiating he disagreed with? It seems like he already knows the answer he is looking for.

Raymond Thu Dec 08, 2016 01:33pm

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Originally Posted by UNIgiantslayers (Post 994420)
I don't even understand what OP is looking for here. Justification about officiating he disagreed with? It seems like he already knows the answer he is looking for.

You don't know Potato. He used to be fixated on travelling. Now it appears to be off-ball contact.

Rich Thu Dec 08, 2016 01:51pm

The only thing I know about potatoes is that I usually try to film with them.

Adam Thu Dec 08, 2016 02:09pm

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 994440)
The only thing I know about potatoes is that I usually try to film with them.

Rich, don't you find that you normally get poor quality video?


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