Coaching Staff Decorum

[BryanV21]

I normally arrive early enough to my games to catch most of the 1st half of the JV contest. If I see the varsity coach doing something like this, what are my options?

I mean, I can wait until halftime and tell the JV officials to tell the JV HC that the VHC can be removed from the gym and possibly not be able to attend his game. But what if his actions are so bad that I want to get it stopped before I can talk to the JV officials?

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

I normally arrive early enough to my games to catch most of the 1st half of the JV contest. If I see the varsity coach doing something like this, what are my options?

I mean, I can wait until halftime and tell the JV officials to tell the JV HC that the VHC can be removed from the gym and possibly not be able to attend his game. But what if his actions are so bad that I want to get it stopped before I can talk to the JV officials?

I would not do this at all. Give the JV officials advice in the locker room if you want and then let them live and die by what they decide to do. It's not your game yet and doesn't warrant you getting involved IMO.

Now, if you want to have a shorter leash for the varsity coach in your game, I would fully support that.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by SC Official

I would not do this at all. Give the JV officials advice in the locker room if you want and then let them live and die by what they decide to do. It's not your game yet and doesn't warrant you getting involved IMO.

Now, if you want to have a shorter leash for the varsity coach in your game, I would fully support that.

So, if they ask, you'd let them know they can have the VHC removed from the gym like any other "fan"? Otherwise, let them sink or swim?

BTW, I'd definitely have a shorter leash for that coach.

[Adam]

Assuming I'm on the JV game, if they're screaming obscenities, they're leaving the game. I wouldn't let Jimmy's dad do that, not when it's done in a way that it gets and keeps my attention.

Find a stoppage in play, talk to the AD, and let him/her know the coach needs to knock it off or leave.

Also file a report with your assigner AND directly with the state governing body.

If I'm part of the crew for the varsity crew and I'm watching this game, I'd ask the crew at half time why they aren't dealing with it and let the conversation flow from there. Coach gets zero tolerance from me.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

So, if they ask, you'd let them know they can have the VHC removed from the gym like any other "fan"? Otherwise, let them sink or swim?

BTW, I'd definitely have a shorter leash for that coach.

Yes. I would ask them why they aren't dealing with it, advise that they do, and whatever happens, happens. I'm not going to "come to the rescue" when I don't have authority over the game at hand. At most, I might say something to the AD about the behavior, but I'm certainly not going to demand the offenders' removal from a game that I'm not calling.

And we all seem to be on the same page that the varsity coach would be on a very short leash during his game.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

I normally arrive early enough to my games to catch most of the 1st half of the JV contest. If I see the varsity coach doing something like this, what are my options?



I mean, I can wait until halftime and tell the JV officials to tell the JV HC that the VHC can be removed from the gym and possibly not be able to attend his game. But what if his actions are so bad that I want to get it stopped before I can talk to the JV officials?

You don't. You have no standing other than as a spectator in the JV game.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

You don't. You have no standing other than as a spectator in the JV game.

Well that may be true, but it depends on what is expected of the varsity officials. Many assignors I work for allow the varsity officials to either mentor or point out things to the lower level or prelim official's games. So it might be he as I am empowered to say something to the younger officials. Of course that does not apply to just this situation, but I might mention something to the officials if I notice this or if I know the officials rather well. But if nothing else is said, I will note their behavior for our game and give a very small leash if that behavior continues. But again, all about the structure or the expectations of who you are working for.

Peace

[WhistlesAndStripes]

If you are sitting there watching the game before yours, there is no reason why you can't at least contact game management and let them know if there's another "spectator" who's behavior is out of line. Even if it is the Varsity head coach. No need to let this go on just because the JV officials are either not noticing, not sure how, or too timid to take care of it themselves.

And I'd ESPECIALLY encourage this action if the Varsity coach in the stands thinks he can sit there and shout obscenities.

[Rich]

I'm talking about during the first half -- taking care of something himself.

Sure, mentor the officials at halftime in the locker room, etc. but during the JV game the varsity officials should not be getting involved in any official capacity.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

If you are sitting there watching the game before yours, there is no reason why you can't at least contact game management and let them know if there's another "spectator" who's behavior is out of line. Even if it is the Varsity head coach. No need to let this go on just because the JV officials are either not noticing, not sure how, or too timid to take care of it themselves.



And I'd ESPECIALLY encourage this action if the Varsity coach in the stands thinks he can sit there and shout obscenities.

Not my job. We don't like it when people try to do our jobs -- if you're so bothered, then go to the locker room early.

You'll get your shot with the varsity coach soon enough.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

I'm talking about during the first half -- taking care of something himself.

Sure, mentor the officials at halftime in the locker room, etc. but during the JV game the varsity officials should not be getting involved in any official capacity.

All I am saying is that depends on the procedures of your assignor. We often are brought into the locker room by GM and that might be the time to address that issue with them. Maybe even make them aware. I am not saying confront anyone. I just think you have the option. But if that is not what you do, that is fine. Just be aware that some assignors want you to make GM aware of a lot of situations you observe before your game. Or at the very least inform the assignor of those situations.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Several years ago, during a junior varsity game, the varsity head coach was sitting on the junior varsity team bench shouting at the junior varsity officials. Eventually, one of the junior varsity officials ejected the varsity head coach, and gave an indirect technical foul to the junior varsity coach. The way things work here in Connecticut, because of the ejection, the varsity head coach couldn't coach until he sat out the next junior varsity game, so he couldn't coach his varsity team that night.

This was not a well liked coach among officials. When the situation was discussed at out next monthly meeting, the junior varsity official got a standing ovation.