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SCalScoreKeeper Sun Nov 20, 2016 11:21pm

Michigan State v FGCU end of game
 
Can one of our esteemed video gurus post the ending of Michigan State v FGCU? It looked like the clock was started early and I'd like to see it again

zm1283 Mon Nov 21, 2016 01:43am

Definitely started early. Will make for an interesting thread on here when someone posts the video.

Remington Mon Nov 21, 2016 06:26am

Haven't seen the play yet.....
 
A.R. 123:

With four seconds left on the game clock, A1 inbounds the ball to A2. The timer incorrectly starts the game clock before the passed ball touches or is legally touched by an inbounds player. The official:

(1) Recognizes the timer's mistake and immediately blows his whistle while the passed ball is in flight; or

(2) Doesn't recognize the timer's mistake until the passed ball is controlled by Team A on the playing court, then blows his whistle.

RULING: Since the timer has made a mistake, the official, with definite information relative to the time involved, shall place the correct time on the game clock. Play is resumed in (1) with a throw-in by Team A from the original throw-in spot; or in (2) with a throw-in to Team A at a spot nearest to where the ball was when the stoppage occurred.

(Rule 5-12.1, 7-3.1.d and 7-4.3)

BigT Mon Nov 21, 2016 10:04am

I'm never going to be D1. Can someone tell me why the crew doesn't get together and figure out what to do. If I get the ball and the horn goes off I might be freaked out and shot and air ball. How was this a fair way to end a close game?

I heard the officals (unoffically) said since he missed they went with the play. That cant be correct can it? Has the head of officials responded yet?

AremRed Mon Nov 21, 2016 10:45am

Video: https://streamable.com/765g

Statement from officials: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxwZ5DKWQAAmgIu.jpg

Using PTS, either one of the officials jumped the gun and hit their button early or it was the table clock operator. But the table guy says it wasn't him, thus throwing the officials under the bus. There is no way to know for sure because as far as I know, the NBA are the only ones who use the PTS system which records all the clock starts/stops and from which source they originated.

SNIPERBBB Mon Nov 21, 2016 11:22am

If I were to bet, C hit his button as the clock starts running right after he turns down the court. The way he has to hold his arm, and it moves a lot, makes this very easy to hit the button accidentally.

I wonder how hard it would be or how effective it would be to build in a system where it requires 2-3 presses with the second being the actual trigger. With 4 possible sets of eyes it should work out to get at least 2 hits.

AremRed Mon Nov 21, 2016 11:28am

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB (Post 993374)
If I were to bet, C hit his button as the clock starts running right after he turns down the court. The way he has to hold his arm, and it moves a lot, makes this very easy to hit the button accidentally.

My money is on the table clock guy. Worst view of the court, against the visiting team, guesses that the ball was touched instead of watching the official's chop, vehement denial in the press that it was him...

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB (Post 993374)
I wonder how hard it would be or how effective it would be to build in a system where it requires 2-3 presses with the second being the actual trigger. With 4 possible sets of eyes it should work out to get at least 2 hits.

I don't think that would be effective.

BigT Mon Nov 21, 2016 12:34pm

ESPN was saying only a few conferences put the clock control with the officials near the end of the game and this wasnt one of those sites. Seems silly not to do this over with the shooter being distracted with a huge horn going off that shouldn't...

SNIPERBBB Mon Nov 21, 2016 01:22pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigT (Post 993383)
ESPN was saying only a few conferences put the clock control with the officials near the end of the game and this wasnt one of those sites. Seems silly not to do this over with the shooter being distracted with a huge horn going off that shouldn't...

Then what was C doing? Holding his pants up?

Raymond Mon Nov 21, 2016 02:10pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB (Post 993374)
If I were to bet, C hit his button as the clock starts running right after he turns down the court. The way he has to hold his arm, and it moves a lot, makes this very easy to hit the button accidentally.

....

One may mistakenly or absent-mindedly hit the button, but the where it is positioned on the pack, it's damn near impossible to accidentally hit the button.

Coach Bill Mon Nov 21, 2016 11:49pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 993375)
My money is on the table clock guy. Worst view of the court, against the visiting team, guesses that the ball was touched instead of watching the official's chop, vehement denial in the press that it was him...

East Lansing – The clock in Sunday night’s Michigan State-Florida Gulf Coast game was started prematurely by an on-court official, the Big Ten announced on Monday, and not the sideline timekeeper.

On-court official started clock early at MSU game

BigT Tue Nov 22, 2016 01:19pm

I make a mistake that cause the horn to go off early shocking the player scrambling to shot a last second shot and I think it has no affect on him so by rule I screwed up and that's the end of it?

Does anyone think I should tell my partners I messed up and give them the ball either spot with proper time used and go from there.

bob jenkins Tue Nov 22, 2016 03:12pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigT (Post 993462)
I make a mistake that cause the horn to go off early shocking the player scrambling to shot a last second shot and I think it has no affect on him so by rule I screwed up and that's the end of it?

Does anyone think I should tell my partners I messed up and give them the ball either spot with proper time used and go from there.

I'm confused. Are you asking whether they got it right by rule? Or, are you asking whether the rule should be changed? Or, maybe you are asking whether the rule should be set aside (assuming is was ruled correctly)?

ReffingAce Wed Nov 23, 2016 11:21am

Let's talk about positioning... what the hell was the C doing in the backcourt anyway? Officiating ghosts? The play starts with 8 players in the front court and the L has to deal with them all. The C is watching the inbounder... The T is trying to give the inbounder space but might as well be sitting in the 4th row. It looks like they were running 2-man, as I thought the C was actually the T who snuck up the court!

The table can't see the T even if he did chop the clock. You could say he guessed when the T chopped because of the poor sight line but perhaps the operator thought he would give the ole' home team clock advantage by starting it a touch early...

I would like to know what the crew talked about during the timeout, last second responsibilities, coverage, etc, and why none of them seemed to notice the clock starting initially. This thing should have been blown dead and reset...


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