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Amesman Fri Nov 18, 2016 06:11pm

Yeah, but ...
 
Anything remarkable here from your official's set of eyes?

Rousing dunk

BryanV21 Fri Nov 18, 2016 06:16pm

No foul?

deecee Fri Nov 18, 2016 08:50pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanV21 (Post 993263)
No foul?

no

JRutledge Fri Nov 18, 2016 09:12pm

I got no foul. His momentum took him out of bounds trying to avoid the defender. I got a good no call on this one.

BTW, he was an amazing player in HS. Glad to see him having success.

Peace

BryanV21 Fri Nov 18, 2016 09:25pm

I don't see a push, but the defender's arm did swing down on the shooter before he returns to the floor.

Not saying it's certainly a foul, just throwing the idea out there.

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Altor Fri Nov 18, 2016 10:51pm

Fine...I'll say it.
 
I mean, it wouldn't be the basketball forum if nobody brought it up...

He travelled before the dribble. :rolleyes:

bob jenkins Sat Nov 19, 2016 12:14am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanV21 (Post 993271)
I don't see a push, but the defender's arm did swing down on the shooter before he returns to the floor.

Not saying it's certainly a foul, just throwing the idea out there.

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I'll be more certain -- this is not a foul.

I do recognize that HS games are called differently in different parts of the country -- and so this type of play might be a foul somewhere. But, in NCAA -- it hardly even raises an eyebrow.

zm1283 Sat Nov 19, 2016 12:17am

I would not call this a foul. He was already going to the floor. The defender didn't put him there.

JRutledge Sat Nov 19, 2016 12:51am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 993282)
I'll be more certain -- this is not a foul.

I do recognize that HS games are called differently in different parts of the country -- and so this type of play might be a foul somewhere. But, in NCAA -- it hardly even raises an eyebrow.

I am not calling that in a high school game at any level or anywhere. Players that play above the rim attack the basket like this often.

Peace

Camron Rust Sat Nov 19, 2016 02:46am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Altor (Post 993277)
I mean, it wouldn't be the basketball forum if nobody brought it up...

He travelled before the dribble. :rolleyes:

If you want to be precise....

Twice. Then again when he picked up the dribble.

It is hard for a defender to guard a player who gets extra latitude in moving the feet.

AremRed Sat Nov 19, 2016 08:20am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 993286)
If you want to be precise....

Twice. Then again when he picked up the dribble.

It is hard for a defender to guard a player who gets extra latitude in moving the feet.

Looks like the NCAA-M POE on travelling is working nicely. :D

Camron Rust Sat Nov 19, 2016 11:00am

Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 993288)
Looks like the NCAA-M POE on travelling is working nicely. :D


They've always been there, and, given what I've seen so far this year, many of the officials are having no trouble identifying them and calling them.

That said, two of them in this video were really close and I wouldn't fault any official for not calling them. One was pretty obvious, however.

BillyMac Sat Nov 19, 2016 02:24pm

Offsetting Penalties ??? ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 993291)
One was pretty obvious, however.

The travel to start the drive should have been called. There was a second travel, watch the pivot foot. And yes, the player's momentum did take him of bounds, but it was the contact that took him to the floor. Probably a foul in my high school game. I'll let you college guys call whatever you want in your college game, as this was. College stuff is definitely out of my wheelhouse.

Amesman Sat Nov 19, 2016 02:52pm

Give these officials a kewpie doll!
 
Thank you, Alton and Cam.

ronny mulkey Sat Nov 19, 2016 04:52pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 993298)
The travel to start the drive should have been called. There was a second travel, watch the pivot foot. And yes, the player's momentum did take him of bounds, but it was the contact that took him to the floor. Probably a foul in my high school game. I'll let you college guys call whatever you want in your college game, as this was. College stuff is definitely out of my wheelhouse.

Agree, and I like the way you stated it. If this was a 15 ft. jump shot, this much contact on an air born shooter would have generated a foul call. Again, in a high school game.

I bet the college players or coaches don't expect this to be a foul.


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