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Freddy Thu Nov 17, 2016 11:27am

0 and 00
 
Clemson just given administrative T for having 0 in the book but player wearing 00.

Announcer stated that a team can have both 0 and 00 playing but 0 must be 0 in the book and 00 must be 00.

Interesting that NFHS does not allow that: "A team member list shall not have both numbers 0 and 00." (3-4-3d)

Is NCAA-M different? Or was the announcer wrong?

bob jenkins Thu Nov 17, 2016 12:04pm

From the NCAAM rules book:

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The following numbers are legal: 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 00, 10, 11, 12,
13, 14, 15, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 40,
41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, and 55� Team rosters can
include 0 or 00, but not both�

Nevadaref Thu Nov 17, 2016 12:15pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 993203)
Clemson just given administrative T for having 0 in the book but player wearing 00.

Announcer stated that a team can have both 0 and 00 playing but 0 must be 0 in the book and 00 must be 00.

Interesting that NFHS does not allow that: "A team member list shall not have both numbers 0 and 00." (3-4-3d)

Is NCAA-M different? Or was the announcer wrong?

The announcer is incorrect. The rule is the same as for NFHS.

I gave this exact same technical foul about seven years ago. Kid was wearing 00, but was listed as 0. Those are different numbers/symbols used to identify players, just as 33 is not the same as 3.

Hugh Refner Thu Nov 17, 2016 02:10pm

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Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 993203)
...Or was the announcer wrong?

Why did you put this statement in the form of a question? This isn't Jeopardy. ;)

Rich Thu Nov 17, 2016 02:56pm

I'd chalk it up as a transcription error.

Since 0 and 00 can't play at the same time, where's the confusion?

Raymond Thu Nov 17, 2016 03:23pm

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 993211)
I'd chalk it up as a transcription error.

Since 0 and 00 can't play at the same time, where's the confusion?

I think I'll start verifying it's correct whenever I see 0 or 00 in the book and save the headache.

Nevadaref Thu Nov 17, 2016 04:06pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 993215)
I think I'll start verifying it's correct whenever I see 0 or 00 in the book and save the headache.

It doesn't matter what's in the book, only what is on the roster that the team submitted to the official scorer.

Raymond Thu Nov 17, 2016 04:08pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 993218)
It doesn't matter what's in the book, only what is on the roster that the team submitted to the official scorer.

Doesn't preclude me from verifying it's correctly input so I don't have to deal with it later. I prefer dealing with any book issues before the game, not during the game.

Sharpshooternes Thu Nov 17, 2016 05:59pm

So is it an administrative tech or a direct to the coach for an illegal uniform? What if both numbers are present can the coach avoid the tech by not playing one of them?

Freddy Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:53pm

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Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes (Post 993223)
So is it an administrative tech or a direct to the coach for an illegal uniform? What if both numbers are present can the coach avoid the tech by not playing one of them?

The relevant rule then is 10-6-4: "The head coach shall not permit a tam member to participate while wearing an illegal uniform (see 3-4)".

Does that answer the above question? Or is there some other casebook or interpretation that steers us in a different direction?

bob jenkins Fri Nov 18, 2016 07:58am

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Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 993230)
The relevant rule then is 10-6-4: "The head coach shall not permit a tam member to participate while wearing an illegal uniform (see 3-4)".

Does that answer the above question? Or is there some other casebook or interpretation that steers us in a different direction?

What part of the uniform was illegal? 0 is a legal number. Your cite would be relevant if the player was wearing 88, for example.

The relevant cite is "changing a number in the scorebook to match what the player is wearing." (or whatever the specific wording is)

Raymond Fri Nov 18, 2016 08:50am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 993234)
What part of the uniform was illegal? 0 is a legal number. Your cite would be relevant if the player was wearing 88, for example.

The relevant cite is "changing a number in the scorebook to match what the player is wearing." (or whatever the specific wording is)

Would we consider one of the jerseys illegal if there were players wearing 0 & 00?

Freddy Fri Nov 18, 2016 09:41am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 993234)
What part of the uniform was illegal? 0 is a legal number. Your cite would be relevant if the player was wearing 88, for example.

Thanx Bob!

BigCat Fri Nov 18, 2016 09:42am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 993237)
Would we consider one of the jerseys illegal if there were players wearing 0 & 00?

The rule says the team member LIST shall not contain 0 and 00. So i would say we are removing the number from the list in the book and go administrative as opposed to a direct T for illegal uniform. have to think more about it.

ronny mulkey Fri Nov 18, 2016 09:52am

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 993211)
I'd chalk it up as a transcription error.

Since 0 and 00 can't play at the same time, where's the confusion?

I know this has been discussed on here before and it all came back to a NFHS interpretation that is posted on this website from the year 2008. It seems to indicate that they could play at the same time and the penalty would be for illegal uniform. At least, in NFHS.


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