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Old Sat Nov 12, 2016, 10:04am
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MSU/AZ Block/Charge Play

Major network announcers must have put some extra time in studying the rules in the offseason this year.

"It wasn't. And it wasn't even close to one."
"Absolutely no way they could have called an offense foul, it's just a referee that was out of position."


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Old Sat Nov 12, 2016, 09:34pm
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I'd call a player control foul on that.
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Old Sat Nov 12, 2016, 10:16pm
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Fairly easy one at that.
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Old Sun Nov 13, 2016, 09:19am
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Official: Correct. Announcer: Wrong. Needs more extra time studying the rules.

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Old Sun Nov 13, 2016, 10:07am
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What did the defender do wrong?

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Old Sun Nov 13, 2016, 10:39am
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How can he say that there is no way that it was a foul? It was textbook. I could understand if he said he didn't think there was a foul, still foolish, but understandable.
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Old Sun Nov 13, 2016, 12:00pm
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What did the defender do wrong?

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Old Sun Nov 13, 2016, 07:53pm
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On the slow motion replays you might make the argument that the player lost LGP when the driver changed his line, and then never recovered it prior to contact . . .but I wouldn't be one of the people buying that argument.
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Old Mon Nov 14, 2016, 12:47pm
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Of course, it was Jay Bilas talking so all I really heard was "Blah, blah, blah..."
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Old Mon Nov 14, 2016, 01:48pm
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. . . but the defender wasn't set . . .
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Old Mon Nov 14, 2016, 03:09pm
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On the slow motion replays you might make the argument that the player lost LGP when the driver changed his line, and then never recovered it prior to contact . . .but I wouldn't be one of the people buying that argument.
Why does that lose LGP?
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Old Mon Nov 14, 2016, 03:40pm
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Why does that lose LGP?
My answer: it doesn't.

The convoluted mess I get into of beers with some of the local guys: Once you've obtained LGP you can maintain it by moving sideways or backwards. However if you don't maintain your legal guarding position you must re-establish or establish it again before your movements maintain it. Their argument is that if offense clearly gains space or a new line that the defense isn't moving to maintain their LGP but must now establish LGP again. In the case of the video this would mean the player was still establishing their LGP at the point on contact as their 2nd foot was not down.

I don't buy it but I don't have to.
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Old Mon Nov 14, 2016, 04:17pm
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My answer: it doesn't.

The convoluted mess I get into of beers with some of the local guys: Once you've obtained LGP you can maintain it by moving sideways or backwards. However if you don't maintain your legal guarding position you must re-establish or establish it again before your movements maintain it. Their argument is that if offense clearly gains space or a new line that the defense isn't moving to maintain their LGP but must now establish LGP again. In the case of the video this would mean the player was still establishing their LGP at the point on contact as their 2nd foot was not down.

I don't buy it but I don't have to.
With no intention of commenting on this specific play, that is true. If a defender ceases to be in a guarding position (by the definition of guarding) they must reestablish LGP before they have the rights of movement to maintain it.
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Old Mon Nov 14, 2016, 07:18pm
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With no intention of commenting on this specific play, that is true. If a defender ceases to be in a guarding position (by the definition of guarding) they must reestablish LGP before they have the rights of movement to maintain it.
This is one Camron and I always agree on.

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Old Mon Nov 14, 2016, 07:58pm
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Can someone tell me the time this took place in the actual game?

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