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BigT Thu Nov 10, 2016 02:09pm

What T do you regret the most?
 
I had a coach scream at his kids "Jesus Christ" and I didn't give him a T. Probably have more yet I would love to hear some of yours so I too dont call one that I would regret...

IncorrectCall Thu Nov 10, 2016 02:10pm

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Originally Posted by BigT (Post 992869)
I had a coach scream at his kids "Jesus Christ" and I didn't give him a T. Probably have more yet I would love to hear some of yours so I too dont call one that I would regret...

Are you saying you should have..?

Adam Thu Nov 10, 2016 02:36pm

After giving a T to a player, the opposing coach started cheering and telling me to give him another one.

I should have given the coach one there.

Mark Padgett Thu Nov 10, 2016 02:39pm

I can't remember ever not giving one when one was deserved. That could be the main reason I gave out over 50,000 in my career. :cool:

BigT Thu Nov 10, 2016 02:54pm

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Originally Posted by IncorrectCall (Post 992870)
Are you saying you should have..?

ART. 1

The head coach is responsible for his/her own conduct and behavior, as well as substitutes, disqualified team members and all other bench personnel. Bench personnel, including the head coach, shall not:

Commit an unsporting foul. This includes, but is not limited to, acts or conduct such as:

a. Disrespectfully addressing an official.

b. Attempting to influence an official's decision.

c. Using profane or inappropriate language or obscene gestures.

d. Disrespectfully addressing, baiting or taunting an opponent.

pro·fan·i·ty
prəˈfanədē/
noun
blasphemous or obscene language.
"an outburst of profanity"
synonyms: oath, swear word, expletive, curse, obscenity, four-letter word, dirty word; More
a swear word; an oath.
plural noun: profanities
irreligious or irreverent behavior.
synonyms: sacrilege, blasphemy, irreligion, ungodliness, impiety, irreverence, disrespect
"some traditional festivals were tainted with profanity"

blas·phe·my
ˈblasfəmē/Submit
noun
the act or offense of speaking sacrilegiously about God or sacred things; profane talk.
"he was detained on charges of blasphemy"
synonyms: profanity, sacrilege, irreligion, irreverence, taking the Lord's name in vain, swearing, curse, cursing, impiety, desecration; archaicexecration
"the nuns would punish me at least three times a week for my blasphemy"

Maybe I have pushed the definition of c above with my rose colored glasses.

What profanty do you pass on or call T's on when its shouted at the top of a coaches lungs (Question is for all)?

BigCat Thu Nov 10, 2016 03:02pm

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Originally Posted by BigT (Post 992869)
I had a coach scream at his kids "Jesus Christ" and I didn't give him a T. Probably have more yet I would love to hear some of yours so I too dont call one that I would regret...

Stay out of religion.

rockyroad Thu Nov 10, 2016 04:09pm

Screaming "Jesus Christ" is a widely known profanity...giving the coach a T for that has nothing to do with religion or staying out of religion.

BigCat Thu Nov 10, 2016 04:31pm

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Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 992882)
Screaming "Jesus Christ" is a widely known profanity...giving the coach a T for that has nothing to do with religion or staying out of religion.

Good Lord Rocky,

(I'm sure you will T me for that), "Jesus Christ" has nothing to do with religion? Why else do you consider it profanity?

Freddy Thu Nov 10, 2016 04:41pm

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Originally Posted by BigCat (Post 992883)
Good Lord Rocky,

(I'm sure you will T me for that), "Jesus Christ" has nothing to do with religion? Why else do you consider it profanity?

Maybe that coach was praying.

;)

SC Official Thu Nov 10, 2016 04:59pm

I don't have a single T in recent memory that I regret giving.

I regret not giving one in plenty of instances, however.

JRutledge Thu Nov 10, 2016 05:34pm

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Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 992882)
Screaming "Jesus Christ" is a widely known profanity...giving the coach a T for that has nothing to do with religion or staying out of religion.

What if I am Muslim or do not believe in anything to do with Christianity? Why would I care if someone made that comment?

Peace

Rich Thu Nov 10, 2016 06:33pm

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Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 992882)
Screaming "Jesus Christ" is a widely known profanity...giving the coach a T for that has nothing to do with religion or staying out of religion.


And yet it doesn't trip my trigger.

Adam Thu Nov 10, 2016 07:03pm

JC is going to be a regional thing. It would be expected to be called here. Profanity is, in fact, cultural. I'm ok with that.

VaTerp Fri Nov 11, 2016 02:26pm

Only T in recent memory I regret was a district championship game several years ago where during a dead ball two players got their arms tangled up and as they got them untangled one kid gave a little extra swing with his arms.

I called a T and my mindset at the time was that this was the 3rd time these two teams had played each other in 2 weeks and I wanted to clean the game up early as this was in the 1st quarter.

The HC who's kid I whacked did not like it at all obviously. And talking at half time with my partners, one didnt really like it. And I didnt really like it.

Saw the same HC at the state tournament later a few weeks later and I actually initiated a convo with him about it. He said that's one where I'd like to see an official get the kids together and say knock it off.

I actually agreed with him.

Oh and FTR, I cannot ever see myself giving a coach a T for saying JC TO HIS PLAYER. Its not something any of my assigners would want called either. IMO you are much better served leaving that one alone.

w_sohl Sun Nov 13, 2016 10:44am

Only one I regret... early in my career I was working a girls varsity game in N. Illinois. Coach didn't agree with my call and took his glasses off and asked if I needed them. I wacked him, but I wish I had just said that they weren't doing him any good so why would I want them. To this day I think he was testing me there to see what my response was and he would have appreciated the comment more.

ODog Sun Nov 13, 2016 11:11am

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Originally Posted by w_sohl (Post 992931)
... Coach didn't agree with my call and took his glasses off and asked if I needed them. ... To this day I think he was testing me there to see what my response was and he would have appreciated the comment more.

If that was a test, then you passed. If you let a coach do that to you and DON'T issue a technical, you have failed yourself.

constable Sun Nov 13, 2016 11:42am

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Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 992882)
Screaming "Jesus Christ" is a widely known profanity...giving the coach a T for that has nothing to do with religion or staying out of religion.

No way am I whacking a coach for saying Jesus Christ to his kids in the huddle.

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constable Sun Nov 13, 2016 11:43am

The only T I regret is the one I didn't call.

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BlueDevilRef Sun Nov 13, 2016 08:06pm

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Originally Posted by constable (Post 992935)
No way am I whacking a coach for saying Jesus Christ to his kids in the huddle.

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In the huddle? Not even likely to hear it. Scream it across the gym? Really depends on context. It's not automatic but would catch my attention.

constable Sun Nov 13, 2016 08:07pm

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Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef (Post 992946)
In the huddle? Not even likely to hear it. Scream it across the gym? Really depends on context. It's not automatic but would catch my attention.

If it is screamed at me then sure. But "Jesus Christ Jimmy run the offence" is unlikely to draw my attention.

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AremRed Sun Nov 13, 2016 09:22pm

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Originally Posted by constable (Post 992936)
The only T I regret is the one I didn't call.

Only one? :D

constable Sun Nov 13, 2016 09:26pm

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 992949)
Only one? :D

Hahaha not many slip through the cracks.

The one I can recall was going over to tell a HC he lost his coaching box thanks to his meathead assistant. I explained by rule after a bench T blah blah blah.

Assistant coach says "I'm surprised you know that rule". I let him stay in the game and have never forgot about it.

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rockyroad Sun Nov 13, 2016 11:44pm

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Originally Posted by BigCat (Post 992883)
Good Lord Rocky,

(I'm sure you will T me for that), "Jesus Christ" has nothing to do with religion? Why else do you consider it profanity?

That's not what I said...I said giving a T for screaming it has nothing to do with religion.

BigT Mon Nov 14, 2016 10:06am

This one is tough. Was he serious or did you have enough of a relationship he was teasing you?

BigT Mon Nov 14, 2016 10:07am

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Originally Posted by constable (Post 992935)
No way am I whacking a coach for saying Jesus Christ to his kids in the huddle.

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Sorry this was not in a huddle. They did something on the court and he screamed at the top of his lungs JC. I would never T up a coach for something only I can hear that is not a personal attack at me.


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