CCA Women's Mechanics
 

Seeking JetMet or Bob (or any of our other NCAAW gurus)

I've joined a high school association in a state that uses women's NCAA mechanics. I don't really want to buy the CCA manual so figured I would come here to see if I have everything down...

-Switches are essentially identical to NFHS mechanics (calling official goes tableside unless C/T calls foul opposite going the other way with no free throws)
-2-hand reporting, walk and talk
-No "chop" with the other arm when counting ("chop" with the same arm you count with)
-No open hand for an out of bounds violation
-L has the corner as part of PCA
-Whistle before frontcourt throw-ins*
-Bounce ball across lane for backcourt throw-in going long
-C always has last second shot
-Punch on PC and TC fouls

Questions:

1) Does the L or T administer the FC sideline throw-in below the FTLE? Who counts?
*2) Do you whistle before every FC throw-in or only endline throw-ins?
3) On a FC endline throw-in is L always supposed to be outside the thrower?
4) Am I wrong on anything above or missing anything big?

1) L. L counts and chops. T also chops.
2) Every throw in that the L administers. The purpose is to tell T to raise his / her hand to be ready to chop.
3) Inside the thrower if the throw0in is near the 3-point line or beyond

Spend the money and buy the Manual. The cost of the Manual is a tax deduction on your Schedule C.

MTD, Sr.

Spend the Money
 

How much are you getting paid per game? And you don't want to spend a few dollars to have a manual that tells you exactly what you need to be doing? Always amazes me that guys don't want to part with a few dollars to improve themselves and then wonder why they aren't advancing.

I'm a college student who doesn't have an extra $15-$20 to throw around at the moment. Once the season gets rolling I probably will. I'm sorry that so greatly offends you. Since I know most of the CCA women's mechanics, I don't think it's necessary at the moment especially since this won't be my primary league.

Thank you for your holier-than-thou rant about those cheapskate officials like me. However, I'll point out that I was hired in a junior college conference this past summer.

BBallRef:

Please direct your irritation toward me.

As someone who started his basketball officiating career while in college I understand your financial concerns. Starting with my fourth year as official I was officiating H.S. basketball in two different states and was officiating women's college basketball. That meant I had a to have different jerseys for the two different states in which I officiated H.S. basketball, fortunately I could wear the same pants and warm-up jacket. None of what I wore for my H.S. games could be worn for my college assignments: white shoes, navy blue pants, blue/white striped shirt, navy blue warm-up jacket, and navy blue lanyard.

Yes, I am very old. But, as a college student you have to make adult decisions: Which is more important: Do you forgo a six-pack of beer this weekend so that you can buy the CCA Manual so that you can do your job correctly? Or do I say, screw it I will just fake it on the court.

And, yes, I do know how expensive it is to go to college. I have two sons in college. Mark, Jr., who officiates H.S. basketball, baseball, and softball, and college softball, is an engineering student and for those non-engineering majors you do not want to know how much spends on text books each semester.

A copy of the CCA Manual will cost no more than $15, including S&H. So forgo a six-pack and a pizza this weekend and order the book.

MTD, Sr.

What he said. Are you a serious official or not?

Don't let the holier than thou of this forum bully you.

Let me ask a different question:

Does this association have any material to provide to you on their expected mechanics? Whether that be a mechanics manual, power point presentations or even handouts?

If you haven't already, you should start by asking the appropriate people in your association for this material.

BBallRef:

You are most certainly going to get called out by veteran college officials like me. Since you were asking about the Women's CCA Manual for your boys'/girls' H.S. assignments, I can make an educated assumption that you were picked up on the men's side of that jr. college conference, meaning that you should already have bought and have perused, in depth, the Men's CCA Manual. Therefore, if you are going to officiate college level games, then start acting like a professional and buy the Women's CCA Manual. You are acting like a cheapskate official, therefore, you are a cheapskate official and you are not acting like a professional.

MTD, Sr.

BBallRef:

Welpe's advice should also be taken.

MTD, Sr.

Big deal. Really. Some of us fit in JuCo around our HS schedules.

What state uses NCAA-W mechanics
 

Can I go back to the OP for a second... what state uses NCAA Women's mechanics for HS basketball? That seems awfully goofy... I've worked in 8 different states and I've never seen it (I guess there are 42 others :)

New York State maybe? They play their girls games under NCAA-W I believe.

Why does this seem goofy? I'd actually say NCAA-W mechanics are superior to NFHS mechanics.

Hey, you made your point in the first paragraph; this wasn't necessary and makes YOU look silly because it is an inaccurate description of a truly VALID point.

If you're this thin-skinned, how the hell can you officiate anything?

Georgia does. If you look carefully at the training materials for 3-person released by the GHSA, they use NCAA Women's Mechanics as the base.

Most people don't study the manuals for States they don't work in.

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Zombie Thread Alert. This one has been dead for 1.5 years

Ilya, if you start new threads, instead of reviving zombies, we would have more confidence that the information conveyed and discussed is current.

Here is the training material that I referred to (it is from 2016, so it is reasonably current), and indeed the PCA that Georgia uses is based on the women's CCA Manual (check pg. 29), as is the simplified time-out procedure, the ability to bounce the ball across the lane on an endline throw-in by the new Trail, and two-hand reporting (note: This was published in 2016, before two-hand reporting was approved for NFHS use).

Personally, I'm curious to learn anything I can, even if it is from other states.
Who knows where work will take me? Right now, I am a graduating undergraduate senior in the DMV, but I could easily end up getting hired elsewhere after I get a Masters degree. Thus, it would be to my advantage to know as much about my future options, officiating included, as possible. If I move to Ohio, Louisiana, or an IAABO state, I can adjust to switching opposite the table (good practice for NCAA Men's games, he he). If I go to Georgia, I know that I can learn NCAA Women's mechanics, and use them for those games. However, most states follow the NFHS book, so I could use knowledge from fresh sources (CA, WA,PA, MI, etc.) to help me enrich my knowledge, wherever I end up.

I thought that I'd come across a more recent thread on CCA Men's mechanics, but hearing what people have to say about women's mechanics in HS ain't too bad, either.

I Don't Need Anybody Else's Mechanics Screwing That Up ...
 

"Be careful what you wish for, you may receive it." (W. W. Jacobs)

Since joining the Forum thirteen years ago, the most important thing that I've learned is that the "Little Corner of Connecticut" IAABO, the Connecticut IAABO, and the IAABO International, "method" of doing anything (mechanics, rule interpretation, training, evaluating, assigning, dues ,fees, etc.) is not only vastly different than other places, and associations, but is occasionally not the best method. So, I'm often curious to hear about other methods, especially regarding mechanics, but I would never "learn" these differing mechanics.

We've gone through enough mechanics changes in the last thirty-seven years here in my little corner of Connecticut to fill up the basketball mechanics portion of my brain to the point where I can keep all the mechanics changes straight and utilize them instantly, without having to think twice. I don't need anybody else's mechanics screwing that up.

Now, where are my car keys?

ilyazhito will tell you where they are. In 1.5 years. Hope it wasn't urgent.

Worry about all of that when you have to worry about that. Learn the basics and adjust to anything that might be different. That is what you do when you work at other levels. You have to adjust to the level and their standards. Stop worrying about what you do not have to worry about yet. It is very unlikely you will do half the stuff you ask about anyway.

Peace

High call percentage - without that none of the rest matters.


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Give it a rest. He wasn't doing that and you know it.

If you're this sensitive to comments, how can you possibly function as an official? I've heard some really crappy things said on this forum but suggesting someone pony up a few bucks for a manual when they a) don't have one and b) are asking specifical questions about stuff in the manual IS NOT even close to being one.

Well it was in 2016. :D

Peace

Alas, this is a question I cannot answer. Check your refrigerator, because there have been times where I lost my keys in some soft fruit (once, in a package of tomaroes, and another time in an open container of grapes). ;)

Unfortunately, no newer thread exists about women'should college mechanics, so I must accidentally reveal my powers of necromancy

The best literature on NCAA-W's mechanics can be found in the NCAA-Women's CCA Manual. The best feedback you'll get is in an NCAA-Women's camp.

BTW, have you attending any of your scheduled camps yet?

I was at the MBOA camp, and will be going to the next one (Que'z Crawford's camp) in the beginning of August. I don't know if there will be any other camps in the DMV, or reasonably close to there (PA, NC, NJ, etc.) after that.

What kind of feedback did you receive at MBOA? Any particular on-court stuff you were suggested to work on? Was Al Battista there?

Raymond, Al Battista was at MBOA camp on the first day, but he did not do any evaluations on the second and third days, when I was assigned games. Jamie Luckie evaluated one of my games instead. He said that I had strong mechanics and good playcalling, and suggested that I get to an open position before I begin my 5-second counts, and get a haircut before the season, so that I would look official.

Here is some of the other feedback that I got (based on the 2-person games I worked, I also worked some 3-person games):
Excellent mechanics

Great rules knowledge

Good counts

Good hustle



Need to move feet more for better angles – esp as Trail

Find matchups to help against ball watching

Referee the defense

Good stuff. Work on getting sideline oriented at the 28' line in the Trail. It takes you off the court and forces you focus on your primary and take your eyes off the ball. It also leaves you in better position officiate your matchup if the ball comes back into your primary. Additionally, being sideline oriented allows your rotate to the Slot (Center) more quickly and smoothly.

Translation= stay on the sideline in 3-person, and only move off if needed to get better looks/no action on my sideline?

Staying on the sideline would give me open outside-in looks on most plays. Is that what happens for you?

It seems to be very similar to the wedge concept in baseball, where umpires view tags through the gap or wedge between the fielder's glove and the base. Wedge looks also appear to be outside-in. That might apply to engaged basketball matchups. Baseball/basketball officials, feel free to chime in.

Yes. If I stay on the sideline in the Trail, that leaves me with an open for almost all matchups. When you come on to the court in the Trail you tend to ball-watch when it leaves your primary towards the Center. Also leaves you out of position for rotations and is the primary culprit when a rotation is missed.