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ballgame99 Fri Oct 07, 2016 01:24pm

New Season Resolution
 
I really need to work on my communication skills this season. I told myself that last year, and didn't accomplish it. In our state the coaches evaluate you, so just ignoring them is not a recipe for good evals and post-season assignments. I would love to hear your serious quick hitters to calm a coach down, or any other suggestions to effectively communicate with coaches.

One I've been told and that I'm going to implement is to refer to your angle, either "I had a good angle on that one coach, he got him on the arm", or when defending a partner's call say "he had a good angle coach".

UNIgiantslayers Fri Oct 07, 2016 01:29pm

I hear ya coach, but that's not what I/we saw? A partner of mine said that last year, and I liked it.

Mark Padgett Fri Oct 07, 2016 02:41pm

"Coach, knock it off or I'll tell your wife I saw you at Hooters last night!" :eek:

BillyMac Fri Oct 07, 2016 04:00pm

Communication With Coaches ...
 
General Techniques:

Statements by coaches don’t normally need a response. Answer questions, not statements.
Let the coach ask their question first, before speaking. Be a responder, not an initiator.
Most coaches will have questions when they believe the officials have missed an obvious call.
Having the officials in closer proximity often calms down the coach.
Be in control and speak in calm, easy tones. Be aware of your body language; maintain positive and confident
body language.
Make eye contact with the coach when the situation allows.
Do not try to answer a question from an out of control coach; deal with the behavior first.
If you’ve missed a call or made a mistake; admit it. This technique can only be used sparingly, perhaps
once a game.
Don’t bluff your way through a call.
Do not ignore a coach.

Specific Communication Examples:

Coach sees the play very differently than the official:
“Coach, if that’s the way it happened/what you saw, then I must have missed it. I’ll take a closer look next
time.”
“Coach, I understand what you’re saying, however, on that play I didn’t see it that way. I’ll keep an eye for it
on both ends.”
“Coach, we’ll watch for that on both ends.”
“Coach, I had a good look at that play and here’s what I saw (short explanation).”
“Coach, I was in a good position to make that call.”
“Coach, I understand what you’re saying, but my angle was different than yours.”
“Coach, I had a great look at that play, but I understand your question and I’ll have the crew keep an eye on it.”
“Coach, I had that play all the way and made the call.”

Coach believes you’re missing persistent illegal acts by the other team:
“OK coach, we’ll watch for that.”
“Coach, we are watching for that on both ends of the court.”
“Coach, I hear you, and I’ll work hard to get a better view.”

Coach is questioning a partner’s call:
“Coach, that’s a good call, as a crew we have to make that call.”
“We’re calling it on both ends.”
“Coach, he/she was right there and had a great angle.”
“Coach, we’re not going there, I can’t let you criticize my partner.”
“Coach, he/she had a great look, but if you have a specific question, you’ll have to ask him/her, he/she’ll be
over here in just a minute.”
“Tell me, I’ll ask him.”

Coach is very animated and gesturing:
“Coach, I’m going to talk with you and answer your questions, but you must put your arms down/stop the
gesturing.”
“Coach, please put your arms down. Now, what’s your question?”

Coach is raising their voice asking the question:
“Coach, I can hear you. I’m standing right here, you don’t need to raise your voice.”
"Coach, I need you to stop raising your voice and just ask your question calmly.”
“Coach, stop yelling across the court, I’m right here.”

Coach is commenting on something every time down the floor:
“Coach, I need you to pick your spots, we can’t have a comment on every single call that is being made.”
"Coach, I can't have you officiating this game."
"Coach, I understand you're not going to agree with all of our calls, but I can't have you question every
single one."
"Coach, if you have a question, I'll answer if I have a chance, but we aren't going to have these constant
comments."
“Coach, I will listen to you, but you can’t officiate every play.”

Coach has a good point and might be right.
“You’ve got a good point and might be right about that play.”
“You might be right, that’s one we’ll talk about at halftime/intermission/the next time out.”
“You might be right; I may not have had the best angle on that play.”
“Coach, I missed it.”

Coach is venting, make editorial comments:
“I hear what you’re saying”
“I hear what you’re saying, but we’re moving on.”

Coach just won’t let it go:
“Coach, I hear you, but we’re moving on.”
“Coach, enough.”
“I’ve heard enough and that’s your warning.”

Source: Topeka (Kansas) Officials Association

Freddy Sun Oct 09, 2016 08:23am

I'm exploring this distinction lately to identify if there's anything in it that can help me in this effort:
"Make sure that whatever is said to a coach, it's a RESPONSE, not a REACTION."

JRutledge Sun Oct 09, 2016 08:41am

This will be my 21st year (worked 3 sports most of that time) and every year I try to figure out ways to deal with coaches and players better. I do not think this will ever be something I am not working on because people are different and respond to different styles of communication differently. I am usually very effective with what I do, but those times something does not work, I always focus on when something did not work for the most part.

Peace

Raymond Sun Oct 09, 2016 10:34am

Quote:

Originally Posted by ballgame99 (Post 991540)
I really need to work on my communication skills this season. I told myself that last year, and didn't accomplish it. In our state the coaches evaluate you, so just ignoring them is not a recipe for good evals and post-season assignments. I would love to hear your serious quick hitters to calm a coach down, or any other suggestions to effectively communicate with coaches.

One I've been told and that I'm going to implement is to refer to your angle, either "I had a good angle on that one coach, he got him on the arm", or when defending a partner's call say "he had a good angle coach".

1) answer questions with few words as possible and always give factual information.

2) when a coach is acting out of line be direct and let him know that his behavior needs to be modified. Such as "coach, we can't have you yelling at us across the floor" or " please communicate without being demonstrative with your hands"

3) after #1 or #2 the conversation is over and you're moving on. Make it clear with your body positioning or body language that you are now concentrating on the game and no longer engaging him for this conversation.

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SC Official Sun Oct 09, 2016 02:06pm

Learning to communicate with coaches is just as much learning when not to say anything to them as much as it is learning what to say to them when something warrants a response.

One of the most helpful pieces of advice I got at camp this past summer was to not to move into the coaches' doghouse once you report a foul if free throws will be attempted. Stand near the center circle for the first free throw, and by the time you move to the proper position for the subsequent action, the coach often won't have anything to say to you. This is a CCA mechanic that can be helpful in high school where we stay tableside after reporting.

crosscountry55 Sun Oct 09, 2016 07:34pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SC Official (Post 991603)
Stand near the center circle for the first free throw, and by the time you move to the proper position for the subsequent action, the coach often won't have anything to say to you.


I don't go near the center circle, but I do get close to the table so that I'm right there to beckon the subs. It also just so happens to keep me away from the coaching box.

However, when I have the sense that the coach is in a professional mood and/or has an intelligent question, I'm not afraid to shuffle over to lend him/her my ear. You have to know when you're not breaking into jail and then take advantage of those bridge-building opportunities. Not saying this is easy; it comes with years of experience.



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IncorrectCall Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:05pm

-goes to stand where coach is standing-

Ok. From here, I can see why you think that was/wasn't a foul. From over there, it looked a little different.

Pantherdreams Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:29pm

Easiest and most effective in my experience for communication has been the following (keeping in mind we are talking about most reasonable proffessional adults not your howler babies):

1) Preventative steps - If I can see a coach is trying to talk or get an official communicate I get to them as soon as I reasonably can to see what it is up. I may even check in after timeouts or breaks to see if there is anything they need clarification on or need to talk about. If they know that I will seek them out to talk then don't have to go shouting to get my attention they know they will get a chance to get me if there is something important.

2) "Coach I hear what you are saying, we will talk about it/look for it."

3) "Do you have a question? I can give you my best answer to a question but I can't stand here and debate . . ."

4) Create very clear standards of expected behaviour. Once you've been given you say if you don't move on, or if you are too demonstrative and adverserial or if you are clearly out of control we will take care of buisness. If they know that you will talk to them and that you will answer questions and work as a crew so long as they stay within the expectations things tend to work out.

I don't throw a lot of T's but I think it is primarily because we officiate in a small region so coaches know us all and what our standards are, they also know if they talk and question at appropriate times/ways we will reciprocate.

Raymond Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:57pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams (Post 991715)
Easiest and most effective in my experience for communication has been the following (keeping in mind we are talking about most reasonable proffessional adults not your howler babies):

1) Preventative steps - If I can see a coach is trying to talk or get an official communicate I get to them as soon as I reasonably can to see what it is up. I may even check in after timeouts or breaks to see if there is anything they need clarification on or need to talk about. If they know that I will seek them out to talk then don't have to go shouting to get my attention they know they will get a chance to get me if there is something important.
....

I'm not seeking out a coach after a time-out or intermission. By that time they've moved on.

UNIgiantslayers Wed Oct 12, 2016 01:22pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 991719)
I'm not seeking out a coach after a time-out or intermission. By that time they've moved on.

That was my thought as well. I've always been told it's a bad idea to go explaining before they have a question or to seek them out.

Scuba_ref Wed Oct 12, 2016 02:03pm

Use "Please" and "Thank you". Admit it when you totally kick a call. You have the power to have the final act (as in issuing a T or ejecting a coach) it's okay to let them have the final word every now and again.

Pantherdreams Thu Oct 13, 2016 09:17am

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNIgiantslayers (Post 991720)
That was my thought as well. I've always been told it's a bad idea to go explaining before they have a question or to seek them out.

I'm going to disagree because IME that train of thought is connected to the idea that the only time coaches want to talk is when they have a specific complaint or incident that are reacting to.

When I seek coaches out (to be clear I'm talking generally about the varsity level coaches) there is often nothing and when there is they generally have things they want me to watch or have questions about.

ie: "Could you keep an eye out for 6 grabbing jersey's on screens?"
" My kids are telling me that the screens are moving what are you seeing?"
" I don't think 12 is getting the ball out of their hand before their pivot foot comes up. We can't guard her if she travels on every take off."
" There seems to be a lot of clutching at cutters."

So these aren't specific complaints or reactions to one incident but it gives them time to voice those to me. Then they don't have to yell that screen is moving or she travelled everytime they think it happens or they want me to know what they are seeing. They know I know and that I'm looking for it. If they need followup I can see the play or action they are looking for an on the fly by or next opportunity make clarification.

Dad Thu Oct 13, 2016 12:20pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ballgame99 (Post 991540)
I really need to work on my communication skills this season. I told myself that last year, and didn't accomplish it. In our state the coaches evaluate you, so just ignoring them is not a recipe for good evals and post-season assignments. I would love to hear your serious quick hitters to calm a coach down, or any other suggestions to effectively communicate with coaches.

One I've been told and that I'm going to implement is to refer to your angle, either "I had a good angle on that one coach, he got him on the arm", or when defending a partner's call say "he had a good angle coach".

I wouldn't rate my ability to communicate with coaches on my one-liners. In general they aren't going to have any positive impact on the flow of the game

Talking to coaches about a partner's call is asking for way more trouble than it's worth.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams (Post 991757)
I'm going to disagree because IME that train of thought is connected to the idea that the only time coaches want to talk is when they have a specific complaint or incident that are reacting to.

Every official knows that coaches love the sound of their voice. The point of not seeking out coaches isn't because we don't think they want to talk.

JRutledge Thu Oct 13, 2016 01:27pm

Too many people feel like they have to explain calls. You should make a call and move on. If a coach has a legitimate question, then address that if you have time. But it seems to me people here worry too much about saying the perfect thing to a coach that will never be prefect in their eyes anyway.

Peace

SC Official Thu Oct 13, 2016 01:43pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 991774)
Too many people feel like they have to explain calls. You should make a call and move on. If a coach has a legitimate question, then address that if you have time. But it seems to me people here worry too much about saying the perfect thing to a coach that will never be prefect in their eyes anyway.

Peace

Some officials, even some on this forum, have the notion that coaches "deserve" an explanation after every call, normally under the guise of being "a good communicator." In a lot of cases, your mechanics communicate all that you need to communicate.

One politician official in my district last year tried to appease a constantly chirping coach by talking to him every time he went tableside. He told me during a timeout that the coach was "entitled" to an explanation. I ended up whacking this coach and tossing him, and before he left the gym this official decided to seek out the coach to try and appease him, likely throwing me under the bus in the conversation.

The college philosophy, from what I hear, is moving away from talking to coaches as much. And that's a good thing IMO.

JRutledge Thu Oct 13, 2016 01:59pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SC Official (Post 991780)
Some officials, even some on this forum, have the notion that coaches "deserve" an explanation after every call, normally under the guise of being "a good communicator." In a lot of cases, your mechanics communicate all that you need to communicate.

Most of my communication with coaches is not saying a thing, let alone saying something on every call. I think the old adage still works, "Silence cannot be misquoted." If I talk more, the more I can be misinterpreted. I find myself trying not to say much of anything when they ask a question initially. I had a coach that told my partner something that I had said and was clearly a lie, because he was trying to get favor by another official. Thank God the official knew better and said, "He did not say that."

Quote:

Originally Posted by SC Official (Post 991780)
The college philosophy, from what I hear, is moving away from talking to coaches as much. And that's a good thing IMO.

It is not quite to that extent in my experiences, but there is so much tape out there that it is not good when you are constantly talking to one coach and you are not talking to the other.

Peace

crosscountry55 Fri Oct 14, 2016 09:21pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 991783)
It is not quite to that extent in my experiences, but there is so much tape out there that it is not good when you are constantly talking to one coach and you are not talking to the other.


This. Talking can be very useful if you're suited for it, but the trick is balance. Watch Gene Steretore when he does a game; he loves communicating and the coaches love him for it. And he always pays nearly equal attention to each bench.



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cyclocrossgirl Sat Oct 29, 2016 12:48am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 991550)
General Techniques:

Statements by coaches don’t normally need a response. Answer questions, not statements.
Let the coach ask their question first, before speaking. Be a responder, not an initiator.
Most coaches will have questions when they believe the officials have missed an obvious call.
Having the officials in closer proximity often calms down the coach.
Be in control and speak in calm, easy tones. Be aware of your body language; maintain positive and confident
body language.
Make eye contact with the coach when the situation allows.
Do not try to answer a question from an out of control coach; deal with the behavior first.
If you’ve missed a call or made a mistake; admit it. This technique can only be used sparingly, perhaps
once a game.
Don’t bluff your way through a call.
Do not ignore a coach.

Specific Communication Examples:

Coach sees the play very differently than the official:
“Coach, if that’s the way it happened/what you saw, then I must have missed it. I’ll take a closer look next
time.”
“Coach, I understand what you’re saying, however, on that play I didn’t see it that way. I’ll keep an eye for it
on both ends.”
“Coach, we’ll watch for that on both ends.”
“Coach, I had a good look at that play and here’s what I saw (short explanation).”
“Coach, I was in a good position to make that call.”
“Coach, I understand what you’re saying, but my angle was different than yours.”
“Coach, I had a great look at that play, but I understand your question and I’ll have the crew keep an eye on it.”
“Coach, I had that play all the way and made the call.”

Coach believes you’re missing persistent illegal acts by the other team:
“OK coach, we’ll watch for that.”
“Coach, we are watching for that on both ends of the court.”
“Coach, I hear you, and I’ll work hard to get a better view.”

Coach is questioning a partner’s call:
“Coach, that’s a good call, as a crew we have to make that call.”
“We’re calling it on both ends.”
“Coach, he/she was right there and had a great angle.”
“Coach, we’re not going there, I can’t let you criticize my partner.”
“Coach, he/she had a great look, but if you have a specific question, you’ll have to ask him/her, he/she’ll be
over here in just a minute.”
“Tell me, I’ll ask him.”

Coach is very animated and gesturing:
“Coach, I’m going to talk with you and answer your questions, but you must put your arms down/stop the
gesturing.”
“Coach, please put your arms down. Now, what’s your question?”

Coach is raising their voice asking the question:
“Coach, I can hear you. I’m standing right here, you don’t need to raise your voice.”
"Coach, I need you to stop raising your voice and just ask your question calmly.”
“Coach, stop yelling across the court, I’m right here.”

Coach is commenting on something every time down the floor:
“Coach, I need you to pick your spots, we can’t have a comment on every single call that is being made.”
"Coach, I can't have you officiating this game."
"Coach, I understand you're not going to agree with all of our calls, but I can't have you question every
single one."
"Coach, if you have a question, I'll answer if I have a chance, but we aren't going to have these constant
comments."
“Coach, I will listen to you, but you can’t officiate every play.”

Coach has a good point and might be right.
“You’ve got a good point and might be right about that play.”
“You might be right, that’s one we’ll talk about at halftime/intermission/the next time out.”
“You might be right; I may not have had the best angle on that play.”
“Coach, I missed it.”

Coach is venting, make editorial comments:
“I hear what you’re saying”
“I hear what you’re saying, but we’re moving on.”

Coach just won’t let it go:
“Coach, I hear you, but we’re moving on.”
“Coach, enough.”
“I’ve heard enough and that’s your warning.”

Source: Topeka (Kansas) Officials Association

Thank you for sharing these statements, I will use some of them.

Freddy Sat Oct 29, 2016 09:53am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 991550)

Be a responder, not an initiator. . . .

Having the officials in closer proximity often calms down the coach.

This first insight above parallels something I've been toying with as an approach to the topic: "Respond, but don't react." Something simple, but means a mind shift for some. Me sometimes, too.

The second insight has a flip side. Video review shows too many officials, upon reporting shooting fouls, sauntering unnecessarily right over to the coach. Too much. Habitually. Too often. In the first half, it commonly invites comments and statements that otherwise would have gone unexpressed except for the all-too-close proximity of the official. In the second half, it gives the impression of seeking affirmation for the call just made.
When the coach is kneeling down, it just makes no sense for the official to go over to his coaches box and stand there with his butt in the coach's face. Laugh, but it happens.
Better, perhaps, on shooting fouls, is to get to a location in the reporting box where you want to end up for the free throw, report, turn around, signal number of free throws to partners, and stay right there. Wandering after the report gives the impression of nervousness and uncertainty. Heading directly to the proximity of the coach doesn't always look or work out for the best. If the coach as a question, great -- a couple of steps backward to listen to him, but never turning away from the floor and always conveying the impression that there's attention on the court that the official has to maintain after the brief and tactful interaction between the two.
Just some misc. thoughts that maybe not everyone would agree with but some might.

BigCat Sat Oct 29, 2016 10:08am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 991774)
Too many people feel like they have to explain calls. You should make a call and move on. If a coach has a legitimate question, then address that if you have time. But it seems to me people here worry too much about saying the perfect thing to a coach that will never be prefect in their eyes anyway.

Peace

I agree. coaches want communication…as long as that communication is what they want to hear…

zm1283 Mon Oct 31, 2016 11:05pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 992552)
This first insight above parallels something I've been toying with as an approach to the topic: "Respond, but don't react." Something simple, but means a mind shift for some. Me sometimes, too.

The second insight has a flip side. Video review shows too many officials, upon reporting shooting fouls, sauntering unnecessarily right over to the coach. Too much. Habitually. Too often. In the first half, it commonly invites comments and statements that otherwise would have gone unexpressed except for the all-too-close proximity of the official. In the second half, it gives the impression of seeking affirmation for the call just made.
When the coach is kneeling down, it just makes no sense for the official to go over to his coaches box and stand there with his butt in the coach's face. Laugh, but it happens.
Better, perhaps, on shooting fouls, is to get to a location in the reporting box where you want to end up for the free throw, report, turn around, signal number of free throws to partners, and stay right there. Wandering after the report gives the impression of nervousness and uncertainty. Heading directly to the proximity of the coach doesn't always look or work out for the best. If the coach as a question, great -- a couple of steps backward to listen to him, but never turning away from the floor and always conveying the impression that there's attention on the court that the official has to maintain after the brief and tactful interaction between the two.
Just some misc. thoughts that maybe not everyone would agree with but some might.

I report and stay out near the volleyball sideline initially. They will have to make an effort to get my attention. I cringe watching officials that by habit just walk over next to the coach after every close call, whether it goes their way or not.

AremRed Tue Nov 01, 2016 11:07pm

Go by the book is my New Season Resolution. First girls varsity game of the year tonight, enforced the NFHS "no extensions" headband rule, coach didn't like it. Literally every girl on his team had one. We hit the double bonus with 2 min left in the first quarter from all the handchecks. We even left a couple out there but the first few minutes of the 2nd half was amazing with free-flowing, clean play. It's pretty sweet when they adjust.

BillyMac Wed Nov 02, 2016 06:24am

Choices ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 992662)
... enforced the NFHS "no extensions" headband rule ....

Tuck the extensions into the headband, or take them completely off?

bob jenkins Wed Nov 02, 2016 07:30am

take them off. at least here. YMMV.

AremRed Wed Nov 02, 2016 07:47am

Take them off. I told the coach that while the extensions may be tucked in, the headband itself still has them.

Interestingly the NFHS soccer rulebook has a more specific clause that prohibits any headband with a "knot", so I'm not sure if this basketball rule in either for the extensions being able to be grabbed or the knot itself.

I suggested the AAD contact the state office today.

Freddy Wed Nov 02, 2016 08:43am

Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 992667)
Take them off. I told the coach that while the extensions may be tucked in, the headband itself still has them.

Interestingly the NFHS soccer rulebook has a more specific clause that prohibits any headband with a "knot", so I'm not sure if this basketball rule in either for the extensions being able to be grabbed or the knot itself.

I suggested the AAD contact the state office today.

Some states have deemed any knotted headband illegal for violating the "of a circular design" stipulation. Because if it were untied the headband would no longer be "of a circular design". And whereas I agree with that determination, our state has stated that a knotted headband in and of itself is not illegal, any extensions past the knot are. Extensions tucked under the headband still make it illegal.

amusedofficial Wed Nov 02, 2016 08:15pm

Pot/Kettle
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 991545)
"Coach, knock it off or I'll tell your wife I saw you at Hooters last night!" :eek:



If you saw him, he saw you.

Welpe Thu Nov 03, 2016 03:01am

My resolution is to get back into the game and have some fun after several years away. And hopefully not screw up too badly.

Oh and learn the shot clock rules in CA. That is all new to me.


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