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diehardmason Wed May 11, 2016 08:57pm

NBA Referee Criticism
 
I am quite disappointed with the NBA this year. IMO only I think the NBA commentators have been extra critical of the officials. Soorts shows have been extremely critical as well. I've heard more talk about missed/poor calls than I have about what the players did/did not do.


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bas2456 Wed May 11, 2016 09:38pm

It's the same across all sports. As TV cameras have gotten better and HDTV has become the standard, we're able to see in super slow motion what the officials have to see and judge in real time. They don't get the benefit of slow motion, unless it's a reviewable play that actually goes to a review (which seems to be most of them.)

I don't think your gripe is with the league itself. Sounds like your gripe is with those talking about the league.

diehardmason Wed May 11, 2016 10:56pm

Agreed. It's commentators and the press. I personally am not fond of the two minute report. There is a human element to the game.


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Raymond Thu May 12, 2016 10:37am

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Originally Posted by diehardmason (Post 987444)
Agreed. It's commentators and the press. I personally am not fond of the two minute report. There is a human element to the game.


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The 2-minute report is a great learning tool especially with the video embedded. I love it

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diehardmason Thu May 12, 2016 10:48am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 987454)
The 2-minute report is a great learning tool especially with the video embedded. I love it

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I'm not disagreeing about the learning part. The criticism of its contents outcome on the game seems more persistent this season.

Rich Thu May 12, 2016 11:11am

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Originally Posted by diehardmason (Post 987455)
I'm not disagreeing about the learning part. The criticism of its contents outcome on the game seems more persistent this season.

At that level, they strive for perfection and settle for excellence that nears perfection. I am guessing that the criticism has no effect on the officials and they welcome the feedback. I know that even at my level, I would.

BlueDevilRef Thu May 12, 2016 11:46am

Obvious blown calls in the 2 min report are helpful but I don't like the belief that bc someone in the league office denotes it as a missed called, it was actually missed. Some of them are missed but some are judgement calls that the official might just have judged to be a no call. Maybe it is just semantics for me but that point has kinda bothered me.

spret93 Fri May 13, 2016 05:31am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 987454)
The 2-minute report is a great learning tool especially with the video embedded. I love it

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While it is a nice format with the individual videos for each play, the "ruling" and commentary is not made by officials. It is actually done by people who have never officiated a basketball game.

Pantherdreams Fri May 13, 2016 07:08am

People like transparency.

As an employee I like the idea of my employer, boss, etc. Closely examining my work and letting me know what they like and what they don't. Gives me a firm understanding of where I stand. I'm also ok with them deciding that my judgement doesn't align with how they want a situation handled, it allows me and all the other representatives of their product to stay on the same page.

The only really questionable point here (that wouldn't happen in a regular work space) is that the results are made public. That level of transparency couldn't happen in a variety of work spaces for a number of reasons. Also many people wouldn't be comfortable having their formal evaluations part of public record. My feeling is that if you know going in that its part of the job and you still want the job, fair enough.

In multi billion dollar industries tied to public perception and entitlement the league does what it can to deliver a consistent message and product. All things considered and number of individuals and moving pieces involved in not only the contest itself,but the entire league, it does a great job.

The biggest problem is that professional sport is often used as the guide or standards by which amateur sports are judged, create rules, and institute policies. The more that sport as an industry keeps being lumped in with sport as a amateur recreational endeavour (thank you Olympics and NCAA for keeping those waters muddy) the more the uninformed general public is going to treat what happens at the Coliseum the same as they end up treating the little kids and officials/coaches in the training pits. This isn't an NBA problem this is a public relations/site management problem for amateur leagues and associations compounded by the general masses inability to make inferential and critical tangents of thoughts in regards to sport culture.

letemplay Fri May 13, 2016 07:38am

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Originally Posted by Pantherdreams (Post 987476)

The biggest problem is that professional sport is often used as the guide or standards by which amateur sports are judged, create rules, and institute policies. The more that sport as an industry keeps being lumped in with sport as a amateur recreational endeavour (thank you Olympics and NCAA for keeping those waters muddy) the more the uninformed general public is going to treat what happens at the Coliseum the same as they end up treating the little kids and officials/coaches in the training pits. This isn't an NBA problem this is a public relations/site management problem for amateur leagues and associations compounded by the general masses inability to make inferential and critical tangents of thoughts in regards to sport culture.

Highly agree

Rich Fri May 13, 2016 11:12am

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Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef (Post 987458)
Obvious blown calls in the 2 min report are helpful but I don't like the belief that bc someone in the league office denotes it as a missed called, it was actually missed. Some of them are missed but some are judgement calls that the official might just have judged to be a no call. Maybe it is just semantics for me but that point has kinda bothered me.

And they work for bosses who have every right to tell them their judgment was wrong.

bisonlj Fri May 13, 2016 12:56pm

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Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef (Post 987458)
Obvious blown calls in the 2 min report are helpful but I don't like the belief that bc someone in the league office denotes it as a missed called, it was actually missed. Some of them are missed but some are judgement calls that the official might just have judged to be a no call. Maybe it is just semantics for me but that point has kinda bothered me.

I agree with this. What someone says is an incorrect call on an observers report (and may just be a disagreement in judgement) turns into "an obvious blown call" in which the official should be fined or fired. Too many experts out there who think they know more than they actually do.

Raymond Fri May 13, 2016 10:50pm

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 987489)
And they work for bosses who have every right to tell them their judgment was wrong.

Exactly...someone has to set the standard
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Originally Posted by letemplay (Post 987478)
Highly agree


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spret93 Wed Jun 08, 2016 05:24am

Referees union calls for end of NBA's 'Last Two-Minute' reports

JetMetFan Wed Jun 08, 2016 05:58pm

I like the report as a learning tool and let's be real: It was really done - i.e., made public - to try to quiet down some of the commentators and, to a lesser extent, get it out of fans' heads that officials are cheating. The vast majority of the time the L2M shows officials made the correct judgments. Plays like the situation in the SA/OKC series are anomalies and my media brethren being what they are they'll always accentuate the negative.

BTW, I'll bet not many of you know that either the next night or two nights after the SA/OKC event the crew in another series had a perfect L2M report. It got very little airplay.


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