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mickhickva Wed Apr 06, 2016 11:25am

Traveling or Fumbled Ball
 
Player A is driblbling ball in his own half court near the sideline ...he stops his dribble catching the ball in his left hand ...as the defender tries to reach in for the ball ... player A then takes the ball behind his back but catches on his rear cheek ...the ball becomes dislodged from his possession and rolls a couple of feet away there is a scramble for the ball ... but player A wins back possession ...the opposing coach wants a traveling call ...but I think its a fumbled ball ... your opinions please!

bob jenkins Wed Apr 06, 2016 11:33am

Sure sounds like "an accidental loss of player control" (or whatever the specific wording is in the Fumble definition).

deecee Wed Apr 06, 2016 11:46am

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Originally Posted by mickhickva (Post 985944)
Player A is driblbling ball in his own half court near the sideline ...he stops his dribble catching the ball in his left hand ...as the defender tries to reach in for the ball ... player A then takes the ball behind his back but catches on his rear cheek ...the ball becomes dislodged from his possession and rolls a couple of feet away there is a scramble for the ball ... but player A wins back possession ...the opposing coach wants a traveling call ...but I think its a fumbled ball ... your opinions please!

What did the player do to make this a travel?

mickhickva Wed Apr 06, 2016 11:52am

I think the coach is thinking in this play Player A changed his actual physical position on the floor without a dribble or a touch by another player (especially after Player A had ended his dribble) ...I'm thinking the ole myth of a "self-pass play" was his perspective

deecee Wed Apr 06, 2016 05:26pm

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Originally Posted by mickhickva (Post 985948)
I think the coach is thinking in this play Player A changed his actual physical position on the floor without a dribble or a touch by another player (especially after Player A had ended his dribble) ...I'm thinking the ole myth of a "self-pass play" was his perspective

Nothing about what you described is necessary for a travel to occur.

MechanicGuy Wed Apr 06, 2016 07:32pm

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... player A then takes the ball behind his back but catches on his rear cheek ...the ball becomes dislodged from his possession
Depending on this, it may have been a travel......but this sounds like a HTBT situation.

If you think it was fumbled, then go with that.

BEAREF Thu Apr 07, 2016 08:27am

Without possession of the ball a travel violation is not possible.

Rob1968 Thu Apr 07, 2016 09:35am

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Originally Posted by BEAREF (Post 985972)
Without possession of the ball a travel violation is not possible.

The scenario described, may be considered - by some - to be an illegal dribble.

OKREF Thu Apr 07, 2016 10:47am

It's not an illegal dribble either. The ball became dislodged after he picked it up with his left hand. He then went and picked the ball up. There was no dribble after the fumble. Did team B ever touch the ball during the scramble?

Adam Thu Apr 07, 2016 01:04pm

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Originally Posted by Rob1968 (Post 985978)
The scenario described, may be considered - by some - to be an illegal dribble.

No way this could be considered an illegal dribble. Those who disagree simply don't understand the idea of fumble.

Dad Thu Apr 07, 2016 02:56pm

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 985991)
No way this could be considered an illegal dribble. Those who disagree simply don't understand the idea of fumble.

The player could've taken steps before the ol' ball off the butt move.

However, as described I completely agree.

OKREF Thu Apr 07, 2016 09:41pm

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Originally Posted by Dad (Post 985994)
The player could've taken steps before the ol' ball off the butt move.

However, as described I completely agree.

That's still not an illegal dribble.

Dad Fri Apr 08, 2016 10:09am

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Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 986008)
That's still not an illegal dribble.

If only you had made it to the second line.

letemplay Tue Apr 12, 2016 10:15am

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Originally Posted by mickhickva (Post 985944)
...the opposing coach wants a traveling call

Yawn...what else is new. This time of year (if this is an actual recent play) this is rec league or AAU, where we find many clueless coaches.. I'm assuming YOU are wearing a stripe shirt and have a whistle? 'Nuff said

Dad Tue Apr 12, 2016 10:31am

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Originally Posted by letemplay (Post 986140)
Yawn...what else is new. This time of year (if this is an actual recent play) this is rec league or AAU, where we find many clueless coaches.. I'm assuming YOU are wearing a stripe shirt and have a whistle? 'Nuff said

I expect coaches to want travels year around.


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