NCAAW Baylor/Oregon State: Kim Mulkey behavior
 

Mulkey throws her jacket into the stands in the second quarter, 4:35. The C from across the court whacks her with enthusiasm.

Last minute of the game, 57-all, foul called against Baylor. Mulkey waves off the calling official and says "bulls*it" multiple times. Regardless of time and score, would you toss her for that reaction?

Never saw any coach, anywhere, who has such a pained expression pretty much all the time. Two calls down the stretch that stirred her up. I didn't see a big debate on either one.

Just remember when she's doing that (and she does it a lot and the majority of the time), it just has to be something that the tape is going to justify at the end of it all. . .

The problem is with her and its a lot like Sean Miller of Arizona - they don't get T'd enough and at times, although its oblivious and unintentional on our parts as stripes - what we permit, we promote. . .

Good times (Video)....Good Times!!!
 

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Peace

I like the no-call - I mean, really, what did the defender do?

Nina Davis is barely 115 lbs, so she goes into a defender and bounces off here and where is the defender responsible for the contact?

Yes, I have absolutely no problem with the C getting this T, even though I think the T also should have seen it and been putting whistle in her whistle for a T. What concerns me more is that neither of his partners took care of business after the T. Neither one of them made any real effort to keep her in her Coaching Box (for our new officials it is the Coaching Box and not the Coach's Box) and away from the official who whacked her. She did enough after the first T go be given a free ride to the locker room for the rest of the game.

MTD, Sr.

It isn't as though Mulkey doesn't get technical fouls, that's for sure. She does get her money's worth, I'll give her that.

This was my thought too. The staredown and the words as he's reporting...she needed to go.

I must have turned the channel right before this happened. I can tell you that for most of the first quarter and the start of the second she was non-stop yapping at the officials. So this wasn't some out of the blue reaction. She seems like one of those coaches that is just exhausting to have to deal with.

On the play, the bigger girl may have come over and bumped her a little, but the offensive player created the majority of that contact, hence the no-call. Great whack by the C, and he needed some backup from his partners while reporting. Get her out of his face.

Same sh!t, different year.

Mulkey's jacket has its own Twitter feed now.

Kim's Jacket

Social media is a fun place.

Whack, get out.

Partners let the calling official down big time.

Thanks JRut! Can we get the clip of her reaction to the call in the last minute of the fourth quarter, when you get the chance?

Easy for you to say.

Ejecting a coach in any game, let alone a game with this much visibility, requires a lot more than what Mulkey did during that sequence. That post-technical reaction wouldn't get her tossed from my HS game.

And I am not a fan of Mulkey at all. I think that perhaps if she got a few more technicals during the season she might not act like this seemingly every NCAA tournament when things aren't going her way.

I just don't get what is and isn't deserving of a technical when I watch NCAA games any more.

The coach in this case gets teched up for throwing an article of her own clothing behind her bench. I know what she did and why she is doing it so I'm ok with officials T'ing her up.

But post T she gets to foot stomp and blister the reporting official, then for the rest of the game continue to gripe. Then late wave people off curse and complain. . .

The jacket is automatic, I believe.

What about reaction(s)? With how she acted throughout the game after the first T I'm not sure I have an issue with a ref saying seeya~

Throwing a jacket has always been automatic. Any crew that lets that go would have to explain that one to the supervisor. If Mulkey was going to get tossed I would've been much more likely to whack her for what she did at the end of the game than what she did following the first T.

Just fightin' for her gals.

Ha. Ha. Ha.

I couldn't agree with this first statement more! You would think that once they get hit with the first T, they'd realize there's a shorter rope, and they'd cool down a little bit.

But no, instead, they seem to think that now they've been whacked, it's gonna take EVEN MORE to get tossed, so they give 'em even more hell, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE REPORT TO THE TABLE!

If this occurred in my high school game, I would have stopped mid-report to give her the heave-ho, and she would NOT have been allowed to stop and pick up her jacket on the way out.

Again, we all can say what we would've done, should've done, etc etc - but at that level, when everything you're doing is on videotape - you just have to be absolutely sure you're going to be validated for the actions you take. . .

The jacket toss - absolutely - it called itself and was overt where the entire world saw it and can't be debated.

Now, I don't know how everyone handles technical fouls and administration, but the first thing to do is just pop and walk away, which is what the official did. He reported the technical foul and went back opposite of where Mulkey was at - which is what EVERY REF should do. . .

The last thing you want to show on tape is where you're waiting for a coach to react to your technical foul (which every coach is going to react negatively to), and then ship them. . .

Now, if it was something where after the technical, she came out on the floor and was screaming and clapping her hands like a seal - again, those OVERT actions call themselves and the crew would've been validated in sending her out. . .

As for the end of game, it has to be something where she's screaming those profanities out loud, being out of her box, which she wasn't, and the hand gestures has to be incredibly overt. Again, for us, one negative outweighs a thousand positives we do out there and for them to send her for those things at 17 seconds left - the tape wouldn't have justified it. . .

To the one that states she was "sticking up for her gals" - I don't know if you meant that in a sarcastic manner, but Mulkey has always been, and always will be, about herself and that she's completely justified by what she calls emotions and how she cares about the game. . .

I will do it tonight when I get home. Any particular play she was going nuts over or just the entire minute? Either way works.

Peace

The one I recall was the foul with about 7 seconds left when OSU's PG drove and was fouled. Hit 2 FTs to put us up 3.

I saw the wave off too and I was talking loudly to the TV the official needed to dump her. OSU goggles not withstanding she needed to listen to the last possession from the locker room.

That's an opportunity for me to get in a few words myself.

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Those of us who work NCAAW will let the Forum know what is said about the situation on next fall's NCAAW officiating video since I'd be shocked if it isn't on it. Mulkey seems to have her own section every year.

Must-see TV?
 

Consider the NCAA's perspective. March Madness generates over $1B in revenue. Mulkey is must-see TV for her antics. In addition to her jacket's twitter feed -- not to mention the fact that the rare WBB game is being discussed on this board -- promotes NCAA WBB. More talk, more viewers, more ads, more revenue from media, etc.

Promote what you permit, right?

I know an official who T'd her years back in the tourney (no-brainer call), and predictably landed on her s*it list. Though a mainstay in tourneys, took 5 years before said official worked even a preseason game for her. Official said they'd do it again, but wouldn't climb over a partner to T her in the future. Times have changed, but don't underestimate coaches influence at high-visibility levels.

IS that because she comes up with new antics every year, or because the officials working her games continuously fail to enforce things the way they are told to enforce them?

I'm in agreement over the T for jacket toss. I guess though if I'm using the same scale as I would be responding to toddler antics:


4) Huffing/Footstomp - Ignore until I can't.
3) Complaining - Communicate to alleviate.
2) Throwing Items in Anger and Display of Aggression - Immediate Reaction and Consequence
1) Cursing at me/my decisions and waving me off - Immediate more severe Reaction and Consequence

If you don't get to the throw your jacket (and you don't), you don't get to curse at me and verbally and demonstratively be dismissive either.

You've had a toddler curse at you and wave you off?? :eek:

My two comments about this in another venue:

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Eh, I think you'd better have more than that before you toss a coach from a game. Anything that immediately comes after a technical should be ignored unless she comes out on the court after the official. It's illogical to think that you're going to whack a coach and she's just going to quietly walk over to her chair and sit down.

Any ejection in this situation should be done in a way that just about every sane commenter would say, "that official really didn't have a choice but to eject her."

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A technical is an emotional thing, no matter how many times people claim "it's just another foul." Look at how the C calls the foul -- I can't remember ever putting that much energy into a hand-check or travel.

Why put yourself or your crew in a position where you (accidentally or intentionally) bait a coach into a second one.

She's out of the box, but off the floor. She's RECEIVED A TECHNICAL FOUL. She'll be back in the box before the ball's put in play. Let her alone for a bit and go shoot the free throws. In most cases you won't even have to address the coach as she'll be back in the box and off the ledge by the time the throws are completed.

W&S, it might not be a perfect world but pizanno's comments probably explain it all the best. If this was the NBA - that is to say, if officials were employees as opposed to independent contractors - officials might not worry as much about the ramifications. Not to say those on Monday night's game had that in their minds but it's hard not to have it in your mind on that stage.

Nothing new here: the only reason I know who she is is because she can't keep her coat on.

Eh, Mulkey got what she deserved. She was on Kyle Bacon beginning with his foul call at 5:53 in the 1st period. At 3:01 (still in the 1st), she's shouting across the floor to Lisa Mattingly about what she says was a no call on a hold.

Admittedly, a holding call against Oregon State was missed by the crew on a loose ball at 2:04 (yes, still 1st period). The ball goes OOB near Baylor's bench and Bacon (now the new T) gives it back to Oregon State. Mulkey's losing her mind (at least, what's left of it) and Carla Fountain comes from the baseline and clearly gives Mulkey a warning.

Her shenanigans continued in the 2nd period: the jacket toss, her wave-off of Bacon after his illegal screen call with 6.3 seconds remaining, and her other wave-off of him as she walked off the court at the end of the first half. Frankly, I'm surprised it took them as long as it did to ring her. Like others have said ... this is just Kim Mulkey getting away with what Kim Mulkey gets away with nearly every game.

You should meet her dad ;)

I'm surprised we haven't heard any of the "camp speak" about being calm when issuing a T yet. After all, it's just another foul call.

I think the official may have become a bit animated because he was shocked by what he saw (not that Mulkey hasn't tossed a jacket before, but...). It looked like an, "Holy crap, did she really just do that?" reaction and it carried over into how the call was made.

Calm Down ...
 

Agree. But once an official decides to charge such, said official should try to treat it just like any other foul. Report. Penalize. Play ball.

Except that if the response to any other foul is to stomp/complain/tirade the response is to T.

If we T and then walk away to avoid the "gotcha again T" then we re treating it like a very different foul regardless of how we try to approach it.

I guess I'm different, but if I T up a coach and they are still going at me I don't run away. I report and stay in my reporting area and deal with MY problem.

At the college level, this is also expected. I don't need a white knight to come to my rescue as I am an adult. If by me standing in my "reporting" area and trying to address the situation doesn't work the coach will most likely be done. It would take the coach to have approached my position, spoken loudly so multiple folks can hear what is said, and for them to have (a) said something not so nice and/or (b) not followed any requests I made (i.e. return to your bench please).

If a partner does want to walk a coach back, that's fine. But I'm not going to saddle, or expect, my partner to handle my issue and just report, turn an run. In the end my philosophy is we punish the coach's behavior, not feel guilty for doing our job.

I sure as hell won't approach the coach's bench, if I do step towards the coach it's because they are far out on the court and I'm returning them to their bench.

It irks me when a partner calls a T and the coach is laying into my partner and they just report, turn and run. Hey you called the T, if he needs a quick explanation, give it to him. If he doesn't then try like an adult to resolve the situation. If that fails toss him. Partners are there to help, not do my job.

Another March Tournament...another Mulkey Meltdown. This has become so predictable, it's almost a cliche. Rather than trying to decide whether the officials on her game have the stones or justification to toss her, I'm left wondering why her AD, conference and NCAA don't clamp down on her. I find it hard to believe her performance as a viewership draw (read:$$$) outweighs the negative light it casts on the school and her team.

I have to believe the officials assigned to the tournament silently hope that they don't get assigned to her games.

I don't remember if you work college men or college women, so it is possible you are expected to stay table side. However, I can tell you this is not the expectation or the accepted practice in NCAA-M. The expectation is that you report your foul and go opposite. You don't have to run away from the coach, but there is absolutely no need to stay table side for a direct technical foul called on the head coach. He doesn't need an explanation, he already knows exactly what he did or said to earn the technical foul.

I do NCAA-M. And I didn't say you have to stay. I said if a coach is going on at you, to not just walk away. I was at a D1 camp and my partner made a call, goes to report and the coach goes ballistic. He T's him up, and the coach steps about 3-4 more feet onto the court to berate my partner.

My thinking, "hey good time to help" goes to help and the clinician yelled at me to get back and let my partner deal with the situation.

Partner ended up tossing the coach. After the game the clinician said, and I don't remember his name, but he's a final 4 official, something along the lines of. If you T up a coach and they continue into you it's your responsibility to deal with that coach. Don't go into his bench area, or huddle, but if hes out after you deal with it.

I completely agree. In most cases you report and leave as the coach will do their usual mumbling so you go away.

Dealing with a coach who continues to act like an ass, after you have already given him a T, most likely by giving him another T, is something that you absolutely should do. However, it is not the same as staying in the reporting area to offer a coach an explanation for the first T. The latter is something that should never be done.

I'll never understand why officials feel the need to "go to the table" after clearly and unambiguously whacking a head coach.

As I said earlier, if the coach wants to continue after I T him up all he's doing is giving me an opportunity to get some things off my chest.

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I'd encourage her to take her coat off anytime she wanted:eek::eek::eek:.

Please, no.

Forgot my blue font there:rolleyes:

There is an edit feature on this board. :D

I work NCAA as well and 101% of the time, whenever a technical foul is assessed to a head coach, the last thing you want to do is be by them or address them any further because they will have absolutely nothing objective to state to you at all, and NOTHING GOOD can come from it. . .

I do find it an irony where coaches want to talk after being hit with a T, but when I do it and report and they want to talk to me about it, I don't tell them "NO" and shut them down, I just tell them "NOT RIGHT NOW", and go away because again -- nothing good can happen from it. . .

The main thing you want to do after giving a technical foul (which is like any other call when its warranted), is to just resume play and move on. . .

The beauty of putting the ball in play is that coaches will get back to coaching and the game can move on

Totally agree with Rich's assessment he posted.

Agreed. So do you disagree with Bacon going to the table in this particular instance?

He only went there to report the technical foul he assessed and of course Mulkey is going to address him and whatnot while he's there doing it. . .

Right after he got done reporting, he went back opposite and then Mulkey went down to the baseline to blast on Mattingly about what she felt was illegal body contact, when she got zero response, then she went in Fountain's ear, but the main thing that diffused all of it was that play resumed.

I think Rich's point was that it's not even necessary to go to the table to report the T on the coach when it's blatantly obvious who you're whacking, as in this instance. I know I've called a T on a coach from opposite the table, and I just stay there and show the scorer the "T" signal followed by pointing to the coach.