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RedAndWhiteRef Mon Mar 28, 2016 03:19pm

Next year's points of emphasis--NCAAM
 
With the tournament winding down, what are some things you'd like to see next season as points of emphasis in college ball?

1. Bench decorum. Inspired by Monmouth. It was fun at first, but now it's just obnoxious and social media hasn't helped at all. Stand up, clap for your teammate who just threw down that monster jam, and sit back down. Please.

2. Continued enforcement of calling fouls on defenders (particularly big men) who bump ballhandlers coming off of screens.

3. Palming violations (not likely, but a man can dream).

BlueDevilRef Mon Mar 28, 2016 03:41pm

I don't work college and don't know how y'all who do actually view it but I'm a lil tired of kids seeming to question officials on calls. I love Duke but it seems to me, and don't go off about anything else but this, Grayson Allen seems to jabber a lot at refs. Maybe it just looks like it is problematic from my couch but it bugs me something fierce when a HS kid questions every call. They don't like the consequences for doing so either

deecee Mon Mar 28, 2016 06:35pm

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Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef (Post 985416)
I don't work college and don't know how y'all who do actually view it but I'm a lil tired of kids seeming to question officials on calls. I love Duke but it seems to me, and don't go off about anything else but this, Grayson Allen seems to jabber a lot at refs. Maybe it just looks like it is problematic from my couch but it bugs me something fierce when a HS kid questions every call. They don't like the consequences for doing so either

This is actually always addressed, however officials do a piss poor job of enforcement. I rarely even see a warning given to a player. On an average varsity or Juco game I warn at least one player that he has reached his limit. I also let my partners know right away.

If it's a player that I see getting on the verge of being a pain in the ass I let the coach know that he's teetering on thin ice. IF it's a team that has many kids I don't have the patience to warn them all. Maybe the first 2 get a warning after that the whistle speaks.

bas2456 Mon Mar 28, 2016 10:40pm

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Originally Posted by RedAndWhiteRef (Post 985414)
With the tournament winding down, what are some things you'd like to see next season as points of emphasis in college ball?

1. Bench decorum. Inspired by Monmouth. It was fun at first, but now it's just obnoxious and social media hasn't helped at all. Stand up, clap for your teammate who just threw down that monster jam, and sit back down. Please.

Is that Goose Gossage behind that keyboard?!?

In all seriousness, I see your point, however, I have to ask...who exactly are the bench players hurting by celebrating? Are their celebrations unsporting? In my opinion, if they ask officials to stop the game to deal with bench decorum after a huge dunk, officials will become even more of the "bad guy" than they already are in the eyes of everyone but other officials.

Officials have bigger fish to fry, like getting down the floor to officiate the break going the other way.

RedAndWhiteRef Tue Mar 29, 2016 07:56am

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Originally Posted by bas2456 (Post 985441)
Is that Goose Gossage behind that keyboard?!?

In all seriousness, I see your point, however, I have to ask...who exactly are the bench players hurting by celebrating? Are their celebrations unsporting? In my opinion, if they ask officials to stop the game to deal with bench decorum after a huge dunk, officials will become even more of the "bad guy" than they already are in the eyes of everyone but other officials.

Officials have bigger fish to fry, like getting down the floor to officiate the break going the other way.

Because doesn't the rulebook say that bench personnel are allowed to stand up to applaud a good play but then immediately sit back down? That doesn't happen anymore. Everyone's faking heart attacks or pretending to reel in a giant fish.

I don't have my book handy. What's the actual wording or rule reference?

packersowner Tue Mar 29, 2016 01:18pm

I add to this list:

- emphasis on the use of the euro-step (or versions there of) vs. traveling (i know Rich will love this one)

- possible revert of the closely guarded rule, its been noticeable that during the last 2 minutes of the game, it has made it a lot easier to run down the shot clock.

Pantherdreams Tue Mar 29, 2016 01:37pm

For what its worth and its probably not even 2 cents:

- The natural progression is: IF you are going to clean up freedom of movement for the offense (check), then ensure the offense that is now not impeded moves legally. I would say an increased attention to screening, or blur screens or even footwork on the take off.

- The running of clock is just sad I think if they eventually reduce the shot clock to FIBA/NBA levels you will see that disappear even more.

- RA seems to cause more problems for officials then it solves. Teams aren't stopping trying to take the spot under the rim/driver/shooter, they just try to get higher and if they don't too bad they are still going to allow a train wreck. I don't see many games of importance where on the way to the hoop the defender goes I'm not going to get there I better get out of the way.

bas2456 Tue Mar 29, 2016 04:55pm

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Originally Posted by RedAndWhiteRef (Post 985468)
Because doesn't the rulebook say that bench personnel are allowed to stand up to applaud a good play but then immediately sit back down? That doesn't happen anymore. Everyone's faking heart attacks or pretending to reel in a giant fish.

I don't have my book handy. What's the actual wording or rule reference?

Though I can't quote the college rule specifically...for the moment I'm pretty sure it doesn't specifically outlaw choreographed celebrations (like the NFL does). I can see why these celebrations rub people the wrong way and why some would like to see them curtailed...but to me it doesn't make a difference. So long as the celebrations aren't unsporting, no need to penalize.

JetMetFan Wed Mar 30, 2016 01:20am

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Originally Posted by bas2456 (Post 985513)
Though I can't quote the college rule specifically...for the moment I'm pretty sure it doesn't specifically outlaw choreographed celebrations (like the NFL does). I can see why these celebrations rub people the wrong way and why some would like to see them curtailed...but to me it doesn't make a difference. So long as the celebrations aren't unsporting, no need to penalize.

Here's the wording...

All bench personnel shall remain seated on the bench while the ball is live, except...to spontaneously react to an outstanding play, immediately sitting down on the bench afterwards.

As it's phrased now a team could receive a bench technical because the Monmouth-esqe response isn't really spontaneous and the players don't sit down immediately. However, I'm sure those that make the rules also realize this is entertainment.


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