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JRutledge Mon Mar 28, 2016 09:41am
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Originally Posted by NNJOfficial (Post 985371)
I absolutely agree. My point is that we should not be saddled with the antiquated notion that you can never make a call involving your partner's line and this is as good a time to bring it up as any. The collective goal of the crew is to make correct calls and if we make a call that involves our partner's primary or line we should not guess and be 100 percent sure of the call.

I always tell my partners in pregame to grab a call if they see I missed one. There's no such thing as a perfect game and the game is supposed to be about the players, not our egos. If a guy tells me he is not okay with me making a call in his primary if he misses one then I know that our collective performance on the game is going to suffer.
That is the problem, it "appeared" to be right. But he was totally wrong and the video showed it. He might have gotten away with that in the regular season, but not during this part of the season with more cameras and more scrutiny. That is why you leave it alone. Even if he thought it was right, you have to be more sure and he has a partner looking at the play directly. Trust him and if your partner is wrong, they will never blame you realistically because you do not have the angle.

Peace

Adam Mon Mar 28, 2016 10:18am
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Originally Posted by Smitty (Post 985379)
Your argument is absurd considering the official was 100% wrong in this case.
Am I the only one who thought the video was inconclusive? Maybe I haven't seen the right video, but I just couldn't tell whether the call was right or wrong.

That said, I'd hate to reach like that on a play that wasn't clear.

JRutledge Mon Mar 28, 2016 10:25am
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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 985386)
Am I the only one who thought the video was inconclusive? Maybe I haven't seen the right video, but I just couldn't tell whether the call was right or wrong.

That said, I'd hate to reach like that on a play that wasn't clear.
You probably did not see the right video. It was rather clear that he did not step out of bounds and if he did, it was not something he could have even seen.

Peace

Smitty Mon Mar 28, 2016 12:24pm
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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 985386)
Am I the only one who thought the video was inconclusive? Maybe I haven't seen the right video, but I just couldn't tell whether the call was right or wrong.

That said, I'd hate to reach like that on a play that wasn't clear.
There was one angle that was absolutely clear he did not step out of bounds. You could see the color of the court between his shoe and the endline. They did look at the monitor and they had audio on him when he explained the play to someone courtside after the review stating by rule they were not allowed to change his call, so it had to be Gonzaga's ball. So he knew he got it wrong after he looked at the monitor.

I completely agree with your last statement.

Raymond Mon Mar 28, 2016 02:32pm
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Originally Posted by NNJOfficial (Post 985371)
I absolutely agree. My point is that we should not be saddled with the antiquated notion that you can never make a call involving your partner's line and this is as good a time to bring it up as any. The collective goal of the crew is to make correct calls and if we make a call that involves our partner's primary or line we should not guess and be 100 percent sure of the call.

I always tell my partners in pregame to grab a call if they see I missed one. There's no such thing as a perfect game and the game is supposed to be about the players, not our egos. If a guy tells me he is not okay with me making a call in his primary if he misses one then I know that our collective performance on the game is going to suffer.
When calling outside of your primary it cannot "appear", you have to see it clearly.

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Multiple Sports Mon Mar 28, 2016 02:35pm
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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 985408)
When calling outside of your primary it cannot "appear", you have to see it clearly.

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That's right !!!! If we work together in May stay out of my POND !!!!!! Unless the supervisor walks in and you want to increase your schedule !!!!

JetMetFan Mon Mar 28, 2016 03:13pm
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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 985408)
When calling outside of your primary it cannot "appear", you have to see it clearly.

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The way I heard it put at a couple of camps last year - by the same clinician - was, "Be late, be right, be needed." That was a tough one on all three counts.

BillyMac Mon Mar 28, 2016 05:05pm
Ant Or Elephant ???
 
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Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 985413)
"Be late, be right, be needed."
That's the mantra that we use here in my little corner of Connecticut.

mtn335 Fri Apr 01, 2016 03:18pm
Timeline: NCAA calls Zags coach to admit officiating error |

Adam Fri Apr 01, 2016 03:32pm
High road for Few. Easier to do this far after the fact, but still...

mtn335 Fri Apr 01, 2016 03:39pm
Yeah, I'm pleased with his response. And he's right that the two high-profile errors in this game split, so there is that...

OKREF Fri Apr 01, 2016 10:01pm
Little late for Gonzaga

MechanicGuy Sat Apr 02, 2016 10:20pm
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Originally Posted by mtn335 (Post 985701)
Sucks, but Syracuse didn't score after the TO and Gonzaga had the same lead with less time.....and still lost :(

mtn335 Mon Apr 04, 2016 01:29pm
Syracuse didn't score off the 10-sec call. Gonzaga didn't score off of the C's out-of-bounds mistake. No impact whatever on outcomes (and I'm a GU grad). Just stinks that it's part of the storyline.

jpgc99 Mon Apr 04, 2016 02:08pm
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Originally Posted by mtn335 (Post 985820)
Syracuse didn't score off the 10-sec call. Gonzaga didn't score off of the C's out-of-bounds mistake. No impact whatever on outcomes (and I'm a GU grad). Just stinks that it's part of the storyline.
Just because the other team doesn't score on the ensuing possession does not mean there was no impact.


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