Jake Layman.....T or not ???? And don't forget the double dribble

[Zoochy]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I did not like the T for this reason and this reason only. We see that all the time and no one has said that is something that needs to be called. Otherwise I can live with it, but would like to know if that is the standard. I see that dunk all the time and no one even the opponent bats an eye. But the double dribble is something I understand why missed as it is a quick steal. it should have been called, but I bet it was no easily seen.

Peace

I have to agree with JRutledge's point. Let it go or call it more often. If they don't grab the rim, then they don't have to swing. Simple

[Adam]

We have to remember all these officials are being paid by someone else this time of year.
While conferences may not necessarily want this called in February, I'm guessing the NCAA wants it called in March. Hell, the NCAA probably wants it called in February, but they have more control now.

There's nothing about this dunk that tells me he was in danger of being injured if he hadn't hung on the rim to begin with.

[Raymond]

The problem for me is he didn't just drop straight down when he got steady. He twisted and held on with one hand before letting go.

[RefRich]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

The problem for me is he didn't just drop straight down when he got steady. He twisted and held on with one hand before letting go.

This is why I believe the T was called and is correct, in my opinion. The players legs swung up as much as they did because he grabbed the rim. He didn't do a pull up but he did intentionally hang on the rim.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Adam

We have to remember all these officials are being paid by someone else this time of year.
While conferences may not necessarily want this called in February, I'm guessing the NCAA wants it called in March. Hell, the NCAA probably wants it called in February, but they have more control now.

There's nothing about this dunk that tells me he was in danger of being injured if he hadn't hung on the rim to begin with.

I agree with this and I do not think it is a horrible decision. I just would like something to support that decision more. It was certainly in the ball park, but it did not stand out as a "slam dunk" call if you get my drift (pun intended). I have not seen this kind of situation addressed in all the videos (I might have to review them again). It is certainly a 50/50 call at best.

Peace

[BryanV21]

I probably would have passed on this, but I'm not up in arms over calling it either.

However, no player has to dunk the ball. Nor do they have to grasp the ring while doing so. If the player can't just dunk the ball then they shouldn't be doing it. Lay the ball in and get back on defense.

[BigCat]

I look at this as an opposing player or coach. You dunk the ball, hang etc and u get two points. I or my players didn't stop u. If u hang on rim I don't care. U scored. I don't complain as opposing coach because it isn't a competitive advantage etc. now, if u shatter backboard and prolong game that's different.

Similarly, I don't like the assistant coaches in pre game saying other team dunked. As a player and coach and as an R, I tell those folks they will have to win game on floor. I never pushed that stuff and book errors as a player or coach and I don't like seeing others push it now. Old school I suppose.

[A Pennsylvania Coach]

Originally Posted by BigCat

Similarly, I don't like the assistant coaches in pre game saying other team dunked. As a player and coach and as an R, I tell those folks they will have to win game on floor. I never pushed that stuff and book errors as a player or coach and I don't like seeing others push it now. Old school I suppose.

Which other rules do you ignore?

[BlueDevilRef]

Originally Posted by A Pennsylvania Coach

Which other rules do you ignore?

He never said he ignores any rule. He said he doesn't like when coaches or players try to get a cheap T on the other team. Esp if some asst wants a pregame T for dunking. If I didn't see it, it didn't happen, no matter what they say.

Contrary to sometimes popular opinion, an official can disagree with a rule but still enforce it.

[7IronRef]

Originally Posted by A Pennsylvania Coach

Which other rules do you ignore?

The ones where your asst coach/bench stands up, or yells 3 seconds

The official was wrong in this case. As a former player I have been in this situation before. Let go of rim, landed off balance and my head hit the floor. Concussion.

All these "automatic" / "directives" are ruining the game. Officials are not being allowed to use judgement and becoming part of the discussion on every play.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BigCat

I look at this as an opposing player or coach. You dunk the ball, hang etc and u get two points. I or my players didn't stop u. If u hang on rim I don't care. U scored. I don't complain as opposing coach because it isn't a competitive advantage etc. now, if u shatter backboard and prolong game that's different.

Similarly, I don't like the assistant coaches in pre game saying other team dunked. As a player and coach and as an R, I tell those folks they will have to win game on floor. I never pushed that stuff and book errors as a player or coach and I don't like seeing others push it now. Old school I suppose.

The rules is there for a reason. I will enforce it as desired by the folks who control my assignments.

I understand your perspective as a coach, but as an official, I frankly don't care.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Adam

The rules is there for a reason. I will enforce it as desired by the folks who control my assignments.

I understand your perspective as a coach, but as an official, I frankly don't care.

Yes, I agree. My post was a ramble after a long, aggravating day with a chainsaw. Im probably a little more lenient with these calls but if you called it a T I wouldn't and couldn't say you were wrong. My ramble/rant wasn't really relevant to anything.

Well, I'm rambling again. Probably because I have to do battle with chainsaw again today....