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BryanV21 Fri Mar 25, 2016 07:40pm

I probably would have passed on this, but I'm not up in arms over calling it either.

However, no player has to dunk the ball. Nor do they have to grasp the ring while doing so. If the player can't just dunk the ball then they shouldn't be doing it. Lay the ball in and get back on defense.

BigCat Fri Mar 25, 2016 10:07pm

I look at this as an opposing player or coach. You dunk the ball, hang etc and u get two points. I or my players didn't stop u. If u hang on rim I don't care. U scored. I don't complain as opposing coach because it isn't a competitive advantage etc. now, if u shatter backboard and prolong game that's different.

Similarly, I don't like the assistant coaches in pre game saying other team dunked. As a player and coach and as an R, I tell those folks they will have to win game on floor. I never pushed that stuff and book errors as a player or coach and I don't like seeing others push it now. Old school I suppose.

A Pennsylvania Coach Fri Mar 25, 2016 11:10pm

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Originally Posted by BigCat (Post 985240)

Similarly, I don't like the assistant coaches in pre game saying other team dunked. As a player and coach and as an R, I tell those folks they will have to win game on floor. I never pushed that stuff and book errors as a player or coach and I don't like seeing others push it now. Old school I suppose.

Which other rules do you ignore?

Adam Fri Mar 25, 2016 11:13pm

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Originally Posted by BigCat (Post 985240)
I look at this as an opposing player or coach. You dunk the ball, hang etc and u get two points. I or my players didn't stop u. If u hang on rim I don't care. U scored. I don't complain as opposing coach because it isn't a competitive advantage etc. now, if u shatter backboard and prolong game that's different.

Similarly, I don't like the assistant coaches in pre game saying other team dunked. As a player and coach and as an R, I tell those folks they will have to win game on floor. I never pushed that stuff and book errors as a player or coach and I don't like seeing others push it now. Old school I suppose.

The rules is there for a reason. I will enforce it as desired by the folks who control my assignments.

I understand your perspective as a coach, but as an official, I frankly don't care.

RefRich Sat Mar 26, 2016 12:02am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 985232)
The problem for me is he didn't just drop straight down when he got steady. He twisted and held on with one hand before letting go.

This is why I believe the T was called and is correct, in my opinion. The players legs swung up as much as they did because he grabbed the rim. He didn't do a pull up but he did intentionally hang on the rim.

BlueDevilRef Sat Mar 26, 2016 07:00am

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Originally Posted by A Pennsylvania Coach (Post 985248)
Which other rules do you ignore?



He never said he ignores any rule. He said he doesn't like when coaches or players try to get a cheap T on the other team. Esp if some asst wants a pregame T for dunking. If I didn't see it, it didn't happen, no matter what they say.

Contrary to sometimes popular opinion, an official can disagree with a rule but still enforce it.

7IronRef Sat Mar 26, 2016 07:17am

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Originally Posted by A Pennsylvania Coach (Post 985248)
Which other rules do you ignore?

The ones where your asst coach/bench stands up, or yells 3 seconds :p

The official was wrong in this case. As a former player I have been in this situation before. Let go of rim, landed off balance and my head hit the floor. Concussion.

All these "automatic" / "directives" are ruining the game. Officials are not being allowed to use judgement and becoming part of the discussion on every play.

BigCat Sat Mar 26, 2016 09:29am

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 985252)
The rules is there for a reason. I will enforce it as desired by the folks who control my assignments.

I understand your perspective as a coach, but as an official, I frankly don't care.

Yes, I agree. My post was a ramble after a long, aggravating day with a chainsaw. Im probably a little more lenient with these calls but if you called it a T I wouldn't and couldn't say you were wrong. My ramble/rant wasn't really relevant to anything.

Well, I'm rambling again. Probably because I have to do battle with chainsaw again today....

Pantherdreams Sat Mar 26, 2016 08:25pm

There is a dunk at the 4:57 mark left in the 1st half tonight by Nova. Play appears basically identical with a little less swing but a rim pull down. Don't see a significant difference beyond the fact that No T was called.

BlueDevilRef Sat Mar 26, 2016 08:29pm

Looked like the Nova player thought he was getting one. He spun around with hands up but it was KU calling timeout.

Zoochy Sat Mar 26, 2016 08:33pm

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Originally Posted by Pantherdreams (Post 985303)
There is a dunk at the 4:57 mark left in the 1st half tonight by Nova. Play appears basically identical with a little less swing but a rim pull down. Don't see a significant difference beyond the fact that No T was called.

I thought the same thing.

jpgc99 Sat Mar 26, 2016 09:28pm

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Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef (Post 985304)
Looked like the Nova player thought he was getting one. He spun around with hands up but it was KU calling timeout.

I thought he was getting one, too. Before I realized it was a timeout, I was thinking this most have been a tournament POE.

I think on this dunk you can make a case for the player not wanting to come down on the KU player. There is a defender in the area.

ODog Sun Mar 27, 2016 10:42am

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Originally Posted by jpgc99 (Post 985307)
I think on this dunk you can make a case for the player not wanting to come down on the KU player. There is a defender in the area.

This.


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