Inadvertent whistle? NCAA tourney- Indiana v Kentucky
 

Did DJ Carstensen just have an inadvertent whistle in the Kentucky-Indiana game? Just prior to 13:00 left in the first half.

And he didn't acknowledge it. I don't want to blame before knowing for sure, but it sure seemed pretty obvious

Actually I know it was for sure, I went back and looked, and the clock stopped automatically for about a 4 count immediately after

Most of the players stopped too.

Is there a learning opportunity for those of us on this board?

Are you posting this in every thread now?

many players heard, stopped, gestured to him, from both teams.

and yes, the teaching point is don't let your ego get the best of you to the detriment of the game. everyone will have far more respect for you in the long run when you do fess up, and more importantly, it is the right thing to do.

I think that a discussion of what to do when the players stop would be worthwhile. It could have been a whistle from the stands.

If the purpose of the thread is unclear, I might.

There's a lot to be learned watching these plays, and that's fine. We don't want this to turn into a venue to just complain about mistakes made at a level very few of us will ever work.

So what if it does. As long as the officials aren't being denigrated personally, I don't see anything wrong with critiquing their performances or decisions on individual plays. Plenty can be learned from just talking about basketball and if a situation sparks discussion, that's good.

If an officials inadvertently blows his whistle then the crew needs to stop the game and restart it at the POI.

We have the occasional IW in football. In the heat of the moment, the person that blows it sometimes "hopes that nobody hears it" which just compounds the problem.

I've had a couple in my career. It's important to own it, accept some kvetching about it, then move on.....by rule.

Thanks for the info. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

A discussion on this point or how to handle a whistle from the spectators which impacts play is what I'd like to see in this thread.

I'm not sure what you're looking for -- it's not that complicated as I see it.

If I'm one of the other two officials and I hear a whistle (from another official or the crowd), I like to hope I'm shutting things down. If I blow a whistle inadvertently, I'm shutting it down.

What else is there?

BNR was much more succinct.

If you hear a whistle from the stands, stop the game, and restart from POI.

You can't figure that out by yourself? :rolleyes:

"If I blow a whistle inadvertently, I'm shutting it down."-- I think that this is a given. (Yet it might be the case that one of the NCAA guys didn't do that.)

What I think is up for debate is how to handle hearing a whistle which you didn't blow. If it came from a partner should one allow him to handle his business? If it came from the crowd is it better to let play continue or should the game be stopped. If stopped, under what rule?

here's a teaching moment for that same ref that had the earlier IW, just had another one in my book. Here's why: IU shoots close to shot clock violation. he doesn't think it is one, but he thinks the ball misses the rim, wrong, and blows the whistle before the play finishes as an IU player gets the offensive rebound and dunks.

Hold that whistle for a second for that dunk and then blow your whistle if you think it might have missed the rim. that way, if you are wrong, you aren't penalizing IU. if you are right, give UK the ball.

The way he did it, if he was wrong and it did hit the rim, then you have a jump ball, horrific result.

He got lucky because the shot wasn't off in time. He wasn't blowing his whistle there, but on hitting the rim. It was pretty clear that it did hit the rim.

I don't agree with most of what this post says, but I would like to ask about the NCAAM rule for using the monitor on such situations. This occurred with 2:02 remaining. I believe that OOB calls can only be reviewed under 2 minutes. What about shot clock violations?

Mods: Perhaps better to move this and the post above to a new thread.

And if I interpret the rule correctly, that review shouldn't have been allowed to occur because the try was unsuccessful. While I don't think I'm wrong on that, maybe someone can prove me right/wrong?

Here's the thing. We've noticed a few posts (not just yours, but it was the latest) that seem to serve no purpose other than to just complain about the officials on the game. It may be considered a change, or it may not, but we're going to cut back on those as moderators.

Productive discussions are welcome.