Another should this have been a TC foul--Duke v Yale

[Nevadaref]

Duke v Yale with 5.5 seconds left in the first half.

[Adam]

Is there learning value in this video clip if it's retrieved?

[Nevadaref]

The point is that people don't seem to think of these plays as TC fouls.
The action is a dribbler having the ball knocked away by a defender and then committing a foul prior to either player getting the ball.
I've now seen about four of these in the tournament. Having all of the clips will help stress the point to the officials in my local association.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

The point is that people don't seem to think of these plays as TC fouls.
The action is a dribbler having the ball knocked away by a defender and then committing a foul prior to either player getting the ball.
I've now seen about four of these in the tournament. Having all of the clips will help stress the point to the officials in my local association.

My last game of the season we pre-gamed this.

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[JRutledge]

Peace

[Raymond]

Another one that should have been a TC foul.

[Rich]

I've deleted a bunch of posts.

Look, this site is officiating....and official...friendly.

This is not YouTube, this is not Facebook (although there are groups out there that don't tolerate this crap, either), this is not some other site where pointing out every mistake of every official is going to be tolerated.

If a video is posted, it should be for the purposes of making us all better officials. If it doesn't serve that purpose, then don't post about it.

Those who feel they need to post perceived errors with glee or an expression of schadenfreude or a "gotcha" mindset should just not bother.

Adam's posts were a specific response to a specific poster whose only purpose here was to point out all of the errors that he thought were made. It grew tiresome, we decided to end it, he ran a stop sign, he will return sometime after the Final Four. Anyone who wishes to join him on the RV can feel free to follow the same pattern.

[jpgc99]

Back to the video, I'm not seeing a foul here. While the ball is loose, I see two players going for the ball and making incidental contact. What is the illegal contact here?

[JeffM]

Originally Posted by jpgc99

Back to the video, I'm not seeing a foul here. While the ball is loose, I see two players going for the ball and making incidental contact. What is the illegal contact here?

I see white #3 having the ball knocked away. White #3 does not go immediately to the ball but instead holds black.

Especially in men's leagues, I have had players say that contact (such as pushing an opposing player) should not be a foul because it was a loose ball.

I believe the teaching point is that white still has team-control since black had not secured control. Therefore, a foul by white going for the loose ball is still a Team-Control foul and free throws should not have been awarded.

[jpgc99]

Originally Posted by JeffM

I see white #3 having the ball knocked away. White #3 does not go immediately to the ball but instead holds black.

Especially in men's leagues, I have had players say that contact (such as pushing an opposing player) should not be a foul because it was a loose ball.

I believe the teaching point is that white still has team-control since black had not secured control. Therefore, a foul by white going for the loose ball is still a Team-Control foul and free throws should not have been awarded.

Yes, I agree that if there is a foul it is a team-control foul, but I'm just not seeing the illegal contact from this angle. I don't see any impact to the other players freedom of movement.

[Sharpshooternes]

Yep


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