Mountain West Title: SD St. & Fresno St (Video)

[Texref]

Play 1 - looked like a travel on the slo mo from the base line. I miss that call and don't have a problem with the missed call at game speed.

Play 2 - easy travel call. Gathered, stepped right and then left. Pivot up and back down. Good get!

Play 3 - I'll go with what they called, but I don't like the call. Personal opinion on it was a good foul and play on the ball with nothing excessive. Hate to say but I agree with the announcer.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Texref

Play 3 - I'll go with what they called, but I don't like the call. Personal opinion on it was a good foul and play on the ball with nothing excessive. Hate to say but I agree with the announcer.

This mentality needs to be reevaluated and changed. That was not a play on the ball at all. He deliberately chopped the player's arms with force. This is a textbook F1.

[Texref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

This mentality needs to be reevaluated and changed. That was not a play on the ball at all. He deliberately chopped the player's arms with force. This is a textbook F1.

Really? The foul was to the shooters right arm and he was shooting with the right hand. So you call any foul to the arm a flagrant? It was nothimg more than a common foul and I'm not thinking twice about it. Seems you are the only defiant in that it should be an automatic flagrant. Rest of the comments say hard foul... Oh and my "mentality" has served me well so I think I will keep it where it is at thank you.

[Rich]

So many calls are "textbook" that I've lost track.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Texref

Really? The foul was to the shooters right arm and he was shooting with the right hand. So you call any foul to the arm a flagrant? It was nothimg more than a common foul and I'm not thinking twice about it. Seems you are the only defiant in that it should be an automatic flagrant. Rest of the comments say hard foul... Oh and my "mentality" has served me well so I think I will keep it where it is at thank you.

1. You need to protect players better. This isn't football. Taking a full swing and whacking an opponent is excessive.
2. The ball was being held next to his left shoulder when the defender whacked the right arm down at the elbow in nothing other than an effort to make certain that the offensive player couldn't shoot and score. The defender was nowhere near the ball.
3. The three D1 guys using a monitor concluded that it was an FF1.
4. The "hard foul" mentality is what the current instructors and rules writers are striving to change and rid from the game.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

1. You need to protect players better. This isn't football. Taking a full swing and whacking an opponent is excessive.
2. The ball was being held next to his left shoulder when the defender whacked the right arm down at the elbow in nothing other than an effort to make certain that the offensive player couldn't shoot and score. The defender was nowhere near the ball.
3. The three D1 guys using a monitor concluded that it was an FF1.
4. The "hard foul" mentality is what the current instructors and rules writers are striving to change and rid from the game.

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[BryanV21]

1 - I got nothing. Looked to me like his right foot was down when he gathered the ball, he then stepped to his left, but his right foot did not return to the floor before the shot.

2. Travel. He got the rebound with both feet on the floor. He then picked up his left foot, making his right foot the pivot. The pivot/right foot then was lifted and put back down before the shot.

3. I'm not a college official, so I can't say what they want from their officials on this play, but I just see a hard foul.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

3. I'm not a college official, so I can't say what they want from their officials on this play, but I just see a hard foul.

Relate it to a high school game. A FF1 is the same as an intentional foul in the NF Rules for the most part.

Peace

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Relate it to a high school game. A FF1 is the same as an intentional foul in the NF Rules for the most part.

Peace

Okay. My comment was more in reference to the announcers talking about the defender wrapping his arms around the shooter. If this were a high school game I just have a hard foul, nothing more.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

Okay. My comment was more in reference to the announcers talking about the defender wrapping his arms around the shooter. If this were a high school game I just have a hard foul, nothing more.

Fair enough.

Peace

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

Okay. My comment was more in reference to the announcers talking about the defender wrapping his arms around the shooter. If this were a high school game I just have a hard foul, nothing more.

You should start thinking about these plays differently.
Ask yourself if the defender went for the ball or just played the man.
Is chopping someone's elbow anywhere near the ball?
For NFHS does the foul neutralize the opponent's obvious advantage? Would he have an easy basket, but for the foul?

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

You should start thinking about these plays differently.
Ask yourself if the defender went for the ball or just played the man.
Is chopping someone's elbow anywhere near the ball?
For NFHS does the foul neutralize the opponent's obvious advantage? Would he have an easy basket, but for the foul?

Yes, I understand all of that. And more often than not I do think of these plays as ones that happen in high school, so I can apply them to what I do.

However, I don't know if that was considered as the defender wrapping his arms around the shooter, and thus a FF1. I didn't want to answer in the high school way and say "no, that's not a FF1", and open myself up to college officials here saying their interpretation... according to how they want it called... was right.

[Camron Rust]

1. Travel
2. Travel
3. OK with FF1 but wouldn't have argued it if they had gone with a common either.