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Nevadaref Tue Mar 15, 2016 03:57pm

When in doubt, throw 'em out! :D

crosscountry55 Tue Mar 15, 2016 08:47pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 984171)
It wasn't totally clear, but from what crosscountry wrote it seems that the D3 supervisor didn't see the play either yet decided to criticize the official.

No, he didn't see the play, but I was standing right next to his clinician when he was given a fair and accurate description of the play. And virtually without hesitation, he said, "that's not an intentional foul." I was humbled. And I'm not upset with the supervisor; I have too much respect for him to disagree with him.

This all plays into why I'm surprised (and troubled) that the call made in the OP clip was a FF1.

Nevadaref Tue Mar 15, 2016 09:02pm

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Originally Posted by crosscountry55 (Post 984277)
No, he didn't see the play, but I was standing right next to his clinician when he was given a fair and accurate description of the play. And virtually without hesitation, he said, "that's not an intentional foul." I was humbled. And I'm not upset with the supervisor; I have too much respect for him to disagree with him.

This all plays into why I'm surprised (and troubled) that the call made in the OP clip was a FF1.

The play in the OP will likely end up on an NCAA training video for FF1 calls. It is absolutely what the NCAA brass wants deemed an FF1. What is surprising and troubling is that you and this supervisor don't understand that.

APG Tue Mar 15, 2016 09:10pm

Put me in the camp of not upgrading play 3 to a F1.

Raymond Tue Mar 15, 2016 10:18pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 984284)
The play in the OP will likely end up on an NCAA training video for FF1 calls. It is absolutely what the NCAA brass wants deemed an FF1. What is surprising and troubling is that you and this supervisor don't understand that.

You speak as if your interpretation of this play is the definitive source. There have been quite a few officials in this thread who do not believe play 3 is an FF1.

Nevadaref Tue Mar 15, 2016 10:57pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 984298)
You speak as if your interpretation of this play is the definitive source. There have been quite a few officials in this thread who do not believe play 3 is an FF1.

How many of them were on the court using the monitor in that game? ;)

Raymond Wed Mar 16, 2016 11:06am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 984310)
How many of them were on the court using the monitor in that game? ;)

I'm not saying they are wrong, they get paid for their judgment. I have my opinion of what I would rule. But I'll remind you of this response the next time you blast a college official for their judgment. [emoji6]

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Texref Thu Mar 17, 2016 12:44pm

Guess according to Nevada the foul in Duke UNCW game (about 16 left in second half) should have been a flagrant. Defender grabbed the shooter's arm at the elbow and made no play on the ball. Guess what they went to the monitor and reviewed and kept it a common foul... Guess what else, it was the same official as the one in this thread. Hum... The FF1 in this play was NOT for the hit to the arm, it was because the defender's off arm "wrapped" around the shooter. I still don't have a problem with the the call, I've just stated that it would only be a hard foul in my game at live speed with no replay.

Raymond Thu Mar 17, 2016 02:13pm

Uh oh, the the drama continues.

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Nevadaref Thu Mar 17, 2016 02:34pm

"...according to Nevada the foul in Duke UNCW game (about 16 left in second half) should have been a flagrant. Defender grabbed the shooter's arm at the elbow and made no play on the ball."

When I see the play, I'll certainly give my opinion. If it is a fact that the defender "made no play on the ball," then by definition it should have been an FF1.

Raymond Thu Mar 17, 2016 03:05pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 984426)
"...according to Nevada the foul in Duke UNCW game (about 16 left in second half) should have been a flagrant. Defender grabbed the shooter's arm at the elbow and made no play on the ball."

When I see the play, I'll certainly give my opinion. If it is a fact that the defender "made no play on the ball," then by definition it should have been an FF1.

Not according to the officials who looked at the monitor

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Camron Rust Thu Mar 17, 2016 05:19pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 984430)
Not according to the officials who looked at the monitor

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Or, maybe it is possible to call that a play on the ball that just missed and ended up on the arm. If they swiped at the ball but missed and hit the arm, I'm OK with going with a common foul, even if they hang onto it just a bit as long as it doesn't become excessive.

crosscountry55 Thu Mar 17, 2016 09:16pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 984430)
Not according to the officials who looked at the monitor

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Game. Set. Match.

Sharpshooternes Sat Mar 19, 2016 04:59am

Anybody considering a multiple foul on play 3? You have a shooter fouled in the act of shooting and then being fouled again by a different player before they return to the ground. I have never called it but thought if any play deserves it it would be a play like this.


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crosscountry55 Sat Mar 19, 2016 09:29am

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Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes (Post 984612)
Anybody considering a multiple foul on play 3? You have a shooter fouled in the act of shooting and then being fouled again by a different player before they return to the ground. I have never called it but thought if any play deserves it it would be a play like this.


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If you can explain to a coach in less then 20 seconds how you're going to administer this, go ahead. :D

I called a MF once when I was a smart-@$$ rookie who thought I knew the rulebook better than anyone else. Let's just say feedback from an evaluator after the game was....enlightening.

But, for the sake of rules trivia, say you did call a MF here. How would you administer the penalty?


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