Foul as time expires in regulation

[WhistlesAndStripes]

OK, we slightly screwed this up.

I was the trail in the original post. After the foul was reported, we discussed what to do given that the clock read 0.0. We decided to shoot the FTs with the lane cleared. She missed the first and made the second, sending the game to OT.

Would it have made a difference if we had shot it with players in the lane? We'll never know. We didn't think to talk to the clock operator to see if she thought time was out before the foul was called, or if the horn was enabled.

We did have a chance to review the play via video afterward. The clock is only visible during the throw-in. Using a stopwatch, we determined that the foul did in fact occur before time on the clock expired, so granting the free throws was correct. We just jacked up administering them with players in the lane spaces.

Live and learn.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

We did have a chance to review the play via video afterward. The clock is only visible during the throw-in. Using a stopwatch, we determined that the foul did in fact occur before time on the clock expired, so granting the free throws was correct. We just jacked up administering them with players in the lane spaces.
Live and learn.

Not necessarily. If the foul happened so near the end of time that the timer could not stop the clock before the horn sounded (and assuming that the horn did sound or would have sounded if it was turned on), and no official had knowledge of the time that was on the clock at the time of the foul (as in your case), then you were correct to have no one on the line.

(I recognize that some associations / states like / require the officials to put "some time" back on the clock if the foul happened before the horn.)

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

OK, we slightly screwed this up.

I was the trail in the original post. After the foul was reported, we discussed what to do given that the clock read 0.0. We decided to shoot the FTs with the lane cleared. She missed the first and made the second, sending the game to OT.

Would it have made a difference if we had shot it with players in the lane? We'll never know. We didn't think to talk to the clock operator to see if she thought time was out before the foul was called, or if the horn was enabled.

We did have a chance to review the play via video afterward. The clock is only visible during the throw-in. Using a stopwatch, we determined that the foul did in fact occur before time on the clock expired, so granting the free throws was correct. We just jacked up administering them with players in the lane spaces.

Live and learn.

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[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

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Thanks. That explains it well. My partner was sure that the foul occurred prior to expiration of time. We still should have consulted the table rather than go it on our own.

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Just to add a little more info, this was a regional championship game, where the winner qualified for state and the loser was done for the season. The host school won in OT, after being the team that trailed pretty much the entire game until it got to OT. They were considered the favorite, but after previous games in the tournament, I had told my partner that if the "underdog's" top 3 players played the way they were capable of playing, I thought they had a chance to pull off the upset, and they almost did. The home team made up an 8 point deficit in the final 90 seconds. Losing team missed 4 FTs in the final 25 seconds, and we later heard from their coach that they only made 4 of 17 FTs in the 4th quarter. Tough way to lose.

I should also add that I've never seen more wasted tears in my LIFE. The team that ended up winning was down about 9-10 points when tears began to flow from various players, both on the floor as well as on the bench, with about 4 minutes left in the game.

[Nevadaref]

This was definitely a girls game!

[Dad]

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

Just to add a little more info, this was a regional championship game, where the winner qualified for state and the loser was done for the season. The host school won in OT, after being the team that trailed pretty much the entire game until it got to OT. They were considered the favorite, but after previous games in the tournament, I had told my partner that if the "underdog's" top 3 players played the way they were capable of playing, I thought they had a chance to pull off the upset, and they almost did. The home team made up an 8 point deficit in the final 90 seconds. Losing team missed 4 FTs in the final 25 seconds, and we later heard from their coach that they only made 4 of 17 FTs in the 4th quarter. Tough way to lose.

I should also add that I've never seen more wasted tears in my LIFE. The team that ended up winning was down about 9-10 points when tears began to flow from various players, both on the floor as well as on the bench, with about 4 minutes left in the game.

From the sound of it they weren't so wasted.