Stetson @ FGCU (Video)

[JRutledge]

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[MechanicGuy]

Play 2: The ship has sailed on this ever being called traveling, right?

[JetMetFan]

#1: I'm cool with the foul. Possession consequence on that one. Slight shove allowed the FGCU player to get the ball.

#2: Only whistle there should've been a travel. Otherwise, play on.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

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#2: Only whistle there should've been a travel. Otherwise, play on.

The defender hits his shooting elbow, that can't be ignored.

[Remington]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

The defender hits his shooting elbow, that can't be ignored.

I agree 100%. I really like the cadence of the whistle on this play. IMO the official waited to see if it impacted the shot attempt and only came with the foul when the attempt was missed.

[Adam]

#1
Good get by L. It was subtle, but it was just enough to get white the rebound.

#2

Originally Posted by Remington

I agree 100%. I really like the cadence of the whistle on this play. IMO the official waited to see if it impacted the shot attempt and only came with the foul when the attempt was missed.

I don't like the idea of waiting til it's missed, but I don't think that's what he did. He processed it and decided the shot was affected by the contact on the elbow.

On video, the travel is clear to me, he clearly has the ball with his right foot down then replants it on the spin. I probably call that travel if I catch it in my high school games, but with that much banging going on, I'm probably not going to catch it live while watching the battle to make sure no one gets hurt or something.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Remington

I agree 100%. I really like the cadence of the whistle on this play. IMO the official waited to see if it impacted the shot attempt and only came with the foul when the attempt was missed.

Contact with the arm on the shooter....while the ball is still in his hands....is a foul no matter what. Make or miss.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

The defender hits his shooting elbow, that can't be ignored.

Absolutely, that is why it cannot be ignored. He clearly misses badly as a result. We cannot pass on this even if the contact is slight. He did not overshoot the basket completely on his own only 5 feet away.

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[just another ref]

Originally Posted by MechanicGuy

Play 2: The ship has sailed on this ever being called traveling, right?

Sure seems that way doesn't it? Two chances to call it here. He hops on the right foot after establishing it as the pivot, then puts the left foot down and follows with the right before the shot.

[Rich]

That's never going to be called, but I wonder: Why does anyone really care?

I'm amazed at the officials that almost seem to take personal offense at this.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Rich

That's never going to be called, but I wonder: Why does anyone really care?

I'm amazed at the officials that almost seem to take personal offense at this.

Are we still talking about the travel? The reason why it's a problem is the trend of not calling a travel continues to increase. Players at the high school level, naturally, imitate the moves that they see on tv, and if I "correctly" call a travel, the place goes nuts. So what's the solution?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Are...and if I "correctly" call a travel, the place goes nuts. So what's the solution?

Who cares if the place goes nuts. Seems like it's a problem at the HS level where none of your partners want to make the same call. Does your supervisor/assignor go nuts?

What I get tired of is blaming college basketball for what is or isn't allowed at the HS level. If it is not being called at the HS level, it's because HS officials don't want to call it. That has nothing to do with what goes on in a college game in Fort Myers.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Are we still talking about the travel? The reason why it's a problem is the trend of not calling a travel continues to increase. Players at the high school level, naturally, imitate the moves that they see on tv, and if I "correctly" call a travel, the place goes nuts. So what's the solution?

I am sorry, but I do not see a travel. I see an issue of which foot he has established and certainly not enough to where I am going to say, "Damn that is a travel." Now if you are better at getting these, more power to you. I am at the lead likely looking for contact mainly. Maybe the Trail picks this up, but the are also likely looking at bodies in front of them or around them.

Sorry, but if this is missed, it is also missed at the high school level a lot. We are not pure and this move has nothing to do with what players see on TV. When you do call many travels players and coaches have no idea anyway why we call them. They do not get the concept of a pivot foot or what constitutes a travel anyway and complaining about it is not going to make them understand even more. Travels are hard to see often for a lot of reasons. I watch enough high school tapes to see this clearly. And I call my fair share of travels that I know many officials almost never call.

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