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LRZ Thu Mar 03, 2016 05:58pm
According to the clarification issued by PIAA in 2012:

Excessive swinging of arms/elbows, with no contact: violation.
Excessive swinging of arms/elbows, contact with the opponent below the shoulder: intentional.
Excessive swinging of arms/elbows, contact with the opponent above the shoulder: flagrant.

In the OP, I don't "see" excessive swinging of the arms/elbows.

Camron Rust Thu Mar 03, 2016 09:04pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by packersowner (Post 983071)
I could see going with a violation or player control. To me the excessive swinging elbows rule needs better clarification what constitutes:

a> violation
b> common foul
c> intentional
d> flagrant


I think D is easy, I think A - C need better understanding.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes (Post 983072)
I think A is pretty clear. If there's excessive swinging with intent to clear space, but NO CONTACT, then it's a violation.
No contact could also lead to a flagrant technical foul if you deem that the player intended to cause harm.

BillyMac Fri Mar 04, 2016 07:25am
Swinging Elbows ...
 
https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1634/2...32ceb38a_m.jpg

Rob1968 Fri Mar 04, 2016 09:43am
Rules Book 2012-13 Points of Emphasis
b. Examples of illegal contact above the shoulders and resulting penalties.
1) Contact with a stationary elbow may be incidental or a common foul.
2) An elbow in movement but not excessive should be an intentional foul.
3) A moving elbow that is excessive can be either an intentional foul or
flagrant foul.

Dad Fri Mar 04, 2016 11:07am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam (Post 983084)
I've made the call twice: once in a MS game and once in a JV game. Both were rebounds where the player who had gained possession stretched out the elbows and swung in a way that made head contact. Both defenders dropped.
Did you flag both?


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