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Bloom Mon Feb 29, 2016 02:23pm

Illegal screen to flagrant foul?
 
Play has the locals up in arms. Did an illegal screen lead to the flagrant?

The coach of white team thought so. I thought they should have gotten the first push by #42. But those are the breaks when you have 2 man crews in Maryland. :(

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bob jenkins Mon Feb 29, 2016 02:27pm

1) I don't see a screen that's really illegal. White had room to take a step back.

2) Even if the screen was illegal and was not called, that does NOT lead to the flagrant foul.

deecee Mon Feb 29, 2016 02:30pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 982806)
1) I don't see a screen that's really illegal. White had room to take a step back.

2) Even if the screen was illegal and was not called, that does NOT lead to the flagrant foul.

Didn't see an illegal screen. I did see a player that's done for the game.

scrounge Mon Feb 29, 2016 02:30pm

Only thing I see that led to the flagrant is a player with an inability to handle mild frustration without striking out with a violent cheap shot...

Rich Mon Feb 29, 2016 02:30pm

Watching it live?

White 42 holds (uncalled) and then commits a flagrant foul.

Camron Rust Mon Feb 29, 2016 03:01pm

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 982809)
Watching it live?

White 42 holds (uncalled) and then commits a flagrant foul.

Agree

Multiple Sports Mon Feb 29, 2016 03:48pm

Bloom,

What county... if this is an inbounds play there is no excuse for no whistle. a good two man crew could pick this up....

Bloom Mon Feb 29, 2016 04:01pm

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Originally Posted by Multiple Sports (Post 982832)
Bloom,

What county... if this is an inbounds play there is no excuse for no whistle. a good two man crew could pick this up....

Anne Arundel, Broadneck vs. South River.

Adam Mon Feb 29, 2016 04:20pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports (Post 982832)
Bloom,

What county... if this is an inbounds play there is no excuse for no whistle. a good two man crew could pick this up....

Pick what up?

HokiePaul Mon Feb 29, 2016 04:25pm

If the screen was illegal by black, it would be for the leg/hip extended out. I'd be fine with no call on the screen.

But the officials did miss a hold (or two) on white which maybe could have stopped the play with just a common foul on White.

I wish we had a wider view to see the officials, and also more time after the foul to see how the officials reacted.

deecee Mon Feb 29, 2016 04:33pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bloom (Post 982804)
But those are the breaks when you have 2 man crews in Maryland. :(

I don't see what a 2 man crew has to do with this. NY state is 2 person and this stuff doesn't happen in my boys games. I have had the occasional IF and 1 flagrant on a fast break, but there is no excuse for EITHER of the 2 to NOT have a hold unless they are (1) not paying attention (not good) or (2) they aren't good officials.

The player got held from the time she was off the screen to the endline, and it was an obvious hold.

Not calling the hold however does not explain the flagrant away. That action stands on its own 2 feet.

Multiple Sports Mon Feb 29, 2016 05:02pm

Agreed......

Multiple Sports Mon Feb 29, 2016 05:05pm

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 982840)
Pick what up?

The hold on the girl who punches the player....

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Mon Feb 29, 2016 05:27pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bloom (Post 982804)
Play has the locals up in arms. Did an illegal screen lead to the flagrant?

The coach of white team thought so. I thought they should have gotten the first push by #42. But those are the breaks when you have 2 man crews in Maryland. :(

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I couldn't read the number on the player wearing the "black" jersey but it looked like a "1". That said, here is what I saw:

I had a CF by W42 for holding B1 who was trying to go around W42. And then, since the initial CF by W42 was not seen by either official I have FPF by W42, for the forearm to the head and neck region of B1.

MTD, Sr.

Adam Mon Feb 29, 2016 05:49pm

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Originally Posted by Multiple Sports (Post 982854)
The hold on the girl who punches the player....

gotcha. I was still on the OP theme of wondering about the screen.
I would have had that hold, and judging by her attitude, a T following.


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