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Bloom Mon Feb 29, 2016 12:31pm

Ejection Penn State Michigan State
 
Preceded by offensive foul. What do you think about the call on Taylor?

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johnny d Mon Feb 29, 2016 01:03pm

What's the problem? Looks like an easy ejection. Coach clearly deserved both T's. He might not like original foul call. Too bad for him it was the right call even if it probably didn't come from the right official. Even if the call was wrong, his actions more than merited both T's. The guy is and always has been a dumbass!

rockyroad Mon Feb 29, 2016 01:59pm

Not sure I would have made that call from C with my 2 partners both right there looking at it...but it was a foul. And reading lips is not my strong point, but it sure looks like he said "That's a disgrace. F@ck you. F@ck you." Sooo...pretty easy ejection.

I am really tired of all the post-T antics by coaches. All the charging toward officials and having to be "held back" by a player or assistant coach. Seems like the NCAA needs to up the ante on those type of situations. Not sure what they can do, but maybe a suspension or fine? Something needs to be slapped on them.

Adam Mon Feb 29, 2016 02:05pm

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Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 982794)
Not sure I would have made that call from C with my 2 partners both right there looking at it...but it was a foul. And reading lips is not my strong point, but it sure looks like he said "That's a disgrace. F@ck you. F@ck you." Sooo...pretty easy ejection.

I am really tired of all the post-T antics by coaches. All the charging toward officials and having to be "held back" by a player or assistant coach. Seems like the NCAA needs to up the ante on those type of situations. Not sure what they can do, but maybe a suspension or fine? Something needs to be slapped on them.

As far as I'm concerned, if a coach charges and has to be "held back" by his staff or team, that should be an automatic T.

UNIgiantslayers Mon Feb 29, 2016 02:07pm

I realize that there wasn't a lot going on in his primary, but there were 3 matchups in or in very close proximity to his primary when he made that call. I don't mind people reaching to get elephants in my pca, but that was a pretty egregious reach IMO. With that being said, it was the right call and IDK how the L missed that. He had two opportunities to call that hook on the offensive player and didn't make either.

rockyroad Mon Feb 29, 2016 02:09pm

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 982795)
As far as I'm concerned, if a coach charges and has to be "held back" by his staff or team, that should be an automatic T.

Oh for sure...I guess I am talking more about after the ejection has been signalled. This coach was given the heave-ho, started to walk away, and then charged at the official and had to be "restrained" by an assistant.

bballref3966 Mon Feb 29, 2016 02:14pm

I'm waiting for a certain poster to appear and talk about how the official could have used better communication skills to keep the coach in the game. :eek:

Camron Rust Mon Feb 29, 2016 03:06pm

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Originally Posted by bballref3966 (Post 982801)
I'm waiting for a certain poster to appear and talk about how the official could have used better communication skills to keep the coach in the game. :eek:

Maybe something like this would work...

http://i.imgur.com/yLj5OrH.jpg

WhistlesAndStripes Mon Feb 29, 2016 03:29pm

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 982795)
As far as I'm concerned, if a coach charges and has to be "held back" by his staff or team, that should be an automatic T ejection.

I fixed that for you.

SC Official Mon Feb 29, 2016 03:56pm

Someone on the PSU bench got a T in the second half, as well.

Bunch of whiners.

SC Official Mon Feb 29, 2016 03:57pm

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Originally Posted by UNIgiantslayers (Post 982796)
With that being said, it was the right call and IDK how the L missed that. He had two opportunities to call that hook on the offensive player and didn't make either.

So maybe that's why Tom Eades got it from C?

UNIgiantslayers Mon Feb 29, 2016 04:34pm

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Originally Posted by SC Official (Post 982837)
So maybe that's why Tom Eades got it from C?

I'm just confused why he was watching down there when that's across the lane and he has one, soon to be 3 match ups in his primary. I guess that's why he's doing NCAA and I'm slumming it in JV/V games.

deecee Mon Feb 29, 2016 04:35pm

The L didn't see the hook because it happened with the inside arm. The T or C would have the most definitive view of that foul.

eyezen Mon Feb 29, 2016 04:41pm

Just fightin' for his guys.

deecee Mon Feb 29, 2016 04:45pm

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Originally Posted by eyezen (Post 982845)
Just fightin' for his guys.

All the way to the locker room. I love sports euphemisms. They really make people sound dumb. It's as though things that happen in sport occur in a vacuum and are excluded from common social norms.

jTheUmp Mon Feb 29, 2016 04:51pm

T didn't see it because he would've been watching the on-ball matchup in his primary prior to the entry pass.

L could've/should've seen it, but I think he was straightlined.

I know I wouldn't have been looking over there as the C... but that's why he's working that game and I wasn't.

Rich Mon Feb 29, 2016 05:33pm

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Originally Posted by eyezen (Post 982845)
Just fightin' for his guys.

Looked like he was setting people up to hold him back.

What a maroon. What an embezzle. What an ignoranamus. What a ca-ra-ra-goon-de-yay.

UNIgiantslayers Mon Feb 29, 2016 05:48pm

Anyone able to post more of this play? I'm curious as to why he was pinched down on the paint so far.

zm1283 Mon Feb 29, 2016 09:08pm

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Originally Posted by UNIgiantslayers (Post 982796)
I realize that there wasn't a lot going on in his primary, but there were 3 matchups in or in very close proximity to his primary when he made that call. I don't mind people reaching to get elephants in my pca, but that was a pretty egregious reach IMO. With that being said, it was the right call and IDK how the L missed that. He had two opportunities to call that hook on the offensive player and didn't make either.

Like others said, the Lead was straightlined and the Trail was officiating the on-ball defender with the ball handler. The Center was looking straight through the lane to the play and had a great look at it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNIgiantslayers (Post 982843)
I'm just confused why he was watching down there when that's across the lane and he has one, soon to be 3 match ups in his primary. I guess that's why he's doing NCAA and I'm slumming it in JV/V games.

I don't see any competitive matchups in his PCA when the play develops and happens.

I didn't notice who the Lead was, but the Trail and Center are arguably the two best officials in college basketball. Not saying they can't miss stuff, but this isn't their first rodeo.

zm1283 Mon Feb 29, 2016 09:09pm

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Originally Posted by UNIgiantslayers (Post 982859)
Anyone able to post more of this play? I'm curious as to why he was pinched down on the paint so far.

Who, the Lead? Why wouldn't he be?

UNIgiantslayers Mon Feb 29, 2016 10:10pm

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Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 982871)
Who, the Lead? Why wouldn't he be?

Because if he's 2 steps to his right, he doesn't get straightlined and the PSU coach likely doesn't get ejected because he's pissed about the C making a call across the paint.

SC Official Mon Feb 29, 2016 10:57pm

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Originally Posted by UNIgiantslayers (Post 982875)
Because if he's 2 steps to his right, he doesn't get straightlined and the PSU coach likely doesn't get ejected because he's pissed about the C making a call across the paint.

Who's to say he wouldn't have gotten ejected anyway? Chambers is a notorious crybaby.

UNIgiantslayers Tue Mar 01, 2016 11:35am

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Originally Posted by SC Official (Post 982879)
Who's to say he wouldn't have gotten ejected anyway? Chambers is a notorious crybaby.

True. But it was a good call and there's nothing there worth getting ejected over other than the C reaching across to get that one. I'm not excusing his actions by any means, but I don't think he reacts that way if the L is in a little better position to see one of the two hooks by the offensive player.

Adam Tue Mar 01, 2016 12:30pm

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Originally Posted by UNIgiantslayers (Post 982914)
True. But it was a good call and there's nothing there worth getting ejected over other than the C reaching across to get that one. I'm not excusing his actions by any means, but I don't think he reacts that way if the L is in a little better position to see one of the two hooks by the offensive player.

"other than?" That's not worth getting ejected for, either. If he gets himself tossed for that crap, he was on edge already. Whether the C or L gets it isn't going to help, because he's not likely thinking it through this clearly when he starts seeing red.

Mechanicsman Tue Mar 01, 2016 12:46pm

I've heard several college officials talk about the hook play here needing to be called by C. This is slightly odd because he hooks him on the entry pass rather than a spin to the bucket, but C still has the best look here.

Adam Tue Mar 01, 2016 12:57pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 982858)
Looked like he was setting people up to hold him back.

He apparently spends more time drawing up that play than actually coaching.


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