Butler @ Georgetown Plays (Video)
 

Play 1: 3 Point Shot Foul
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Play 2: Backcourt Foul called
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Play 3: Vertical Defender??
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There are some more plays I will post. But a tough game to officiate.

Peace

1. Tough call to make, but looked like there was contact on the shooter's arm before he returned to the floor.

2. Perhaps I'm biased, growing up a Syracuse fan and hating Georgetown, but it looked like the defender moved into the dribbler's path. The defender gained LGP, but when the dribbler was going to go around him he moved sideways/towards the dribbler.

3. Ugh! I hate when players react like that to this play. The defender's arms were up and out in front of him at the time of contact (aka outside of his verticality). He pulled them straight up after the contact.

1. Good defense, hard to see for sure, but probably a CC. HTBT, T had a better look than any of us did on the video.

2. Arm extended and displaced, CC. Unusual that deep in the backcourt, though, and so T punched the wrong way. I'd be lying if I said I've never done that. [emoji3]

3. Not vertical, CC. Wonder if he gave the Frankenstein signal when he reported?

Good stuff, thanks for posting!


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Round 2: (Video)
 

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A few more to come as well.

Peace

4. Looked like the defender got LGP, so he did nothing wrong, therefore it's not a blocking foul. I suppose you could have a PC foul, as the dribbler did make slight contact with the defender's torso, but I probably would have called it the way this guy did.

5. While the foul that was called is fine with me (at least if he called the foul for contact with the dribbler's left arm), it looked like the dribbler could be called for a foul the way he held off the defender with his non-dribbling arm.

6. Good call. The G-Town player tried to push through the Butler player to get the loose ball.

4. INC. IMO, defender was moving toward the ball handler at the last second. Then ball goes OOB on offense, so possession consequence is a factor. So I believe there should have been a blocking foul here. That said, I have the benefit of replay, and this was a very close play. If the L judged that LGP had been maintained, then I like the no call with the subsequent ball OOB to Butler.

5. CC, and I would have had it for the jersey hold before the reach-around. No disrespect to GT for attempting a steal here, but there was definitely a foul in the process.

6. CC. No brainer. Admire the GT hustle, but that's a foul.

Round 3 (Video) Final Round from this game.
 

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Peace

7. Looked like he still had control of the ball when a travel should have been called.

8. Damn that's a tough one. I'm not convinced the defender, after getting LGP, didn't move sideways and towards the dribbler who tried to go around him.

9. I think the G-Town player/dribbler held the arm of the Butler player, but would you call a hold on him? I honestly don't know, but I don't think the defender here did anything wrong.

7. CNC. Defender caused loss of control before any travel occurred. Lead communicated this immediately.

8. IC. Defender established LGP and was maintaining it when contact occurred.

9. IC. The GT player had the Butler player's arm locked up the entire time. I don't mind the initial no-call on the GT bump, but after that it was all one prolonged hold on the GT player. Patient whistle, sure, but once you realize a call has to be made, and two officials get together to discuss it, I'm a bit befuddled that the call wasn't against GT.*

* Note: I find that this is something I need to work on, i.e. these deceptive holds by ball handlers. They are hard to catch. In video breakdown this year I noticed a missed a few, so that will be a summer project for me.

Play #9: Gotta get the rebounding foul on White 0 for holding his opponent.

Play 1: 3 Point Shot Foul...I've watched it over and over and can't find the contact. I think he just shot a turkey. I just don't see a foul. I am not saying there wasn't one, but I'm not seeing it.

Play 2: Backcourt Foul called....great call. LGP established. Laterally moved legally.

Play 3: Vertical Defender??....great call, defender no where near vertical.

Play 4: Defender had LGP and, if moving, was even moving away. The offense cut back inside....which should rarely be a foul. Good no call on the contact.

Play 5: Good call. He was being held on the left side giving the defender leverage to get to the ball.

Play 6: Another good call....could have had it a couple of ways. Most prominently, 32 dove through 0's legs knocking him off his feet and preventing him from a chance at the ball.

Play 7: looks good. #30 got his hands in there. I'd have a held ball before I'd have a travel on that, but the ball did come out as a result.

Play 8: I was ready to go with a charge on first view but on the 2nd view, I changed to a block....barely. Player had LGP but shooter got just a little to the side of the defender and the defender was moving towards the shooter at the time of contact.

Play 9: If talking about the contact after the rebound, tough break, but foul on black 21. He just got caught in a bad spot. Even before, black 21 never had good position for that rebound. He was creating contact from behind the entire time.

I was watching this game live and definitely had a lot of interesting plays in it.
1. Don’t see anything on #30 here – a little contact on #4 hand to hand, but not what the official called
2. PC – good call
3. Not vertical – good call
4. I think this is called a block more often than not. Thought he stuck the knee into the offensive player a lit bit at the end. Certainly close, so I can see it either way.
5. Honestly I thought and still think the offensive player hooks the defender which was the cause for the contact on the left side of the body. I thought the poke was clean. Offensive or nothing.
6. Good call – Every time I see a play like that my knee hurts
7. Probably would’ve saved my whistle for something else – result of the play was fine
8. I thought a PC live while watching. The overhead view was the best I thought and after seeing that I’m leaning more towards a block. But really difficult call.
9. I see Butler playing sticking his arm where it didn’t belong the whole way. What’s the GT player supposed to do after he gets the ball – run down the court with one arm up in the air until they’re separated?

Curiously on #1 how many viewed the actions by the player as unsporsmanlike?

Before that happens GT #0 has grabbed Blue's arm by the bicep and locked him down.

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Most definitely t worthy in hs. Seen it called in ncaa too. Might have gotten away with cause of time and situation in game.

I thought they were going to go 9/9, until the very last call.

#1- I'm pretty sure I see contact on the arm. I wouldn't use path of the ball to call a foul, but in this forum/replay setting, I think I can use it to confirm the existance of a foul, because I don't see a block anywhere on the ball.

#2-Good Call

#3- Good Call

#4-Good Call

#5, #6: Easy Good calls, not even anything controversial about them.

#7: Looks loose to me, Blue gets it either way so I'm not losing any sleep.

#8: Very good call. Defender has LGP for a while, but when ball handler makes move to go around him to the right, defender begins to fall into his path.

#9: Just plain tough. Foul on 21 first? Sure, but as for the action that they had to sort out? I don't see anything that 21 does wrong, and the offense has his arm hooked and drags him with him. I think we see this play and sympathize and say things like I just did and say, "tough one to get." However, if he calls it on the offense, I think every one of us says, "Wow, what a great call to get, especially in real time!" (That is if we are ignoring the initial rebounding foul, which would've prevented the whole mess in the first place)

This is the moment of contact. H player still has one foot on floor. I don't see the H player having head and shoulders past. I don't see the V player losing LGP as I never see them move towards the H player. I have PCF.

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I think going about 2 frames before this is a more telling look. Home has the foot he's jumping off of on the floor, and the defender is not yet in front of him. As H starts his jump/upward motion, the defender, IMO is not yet in position. Watching it full speed I have a block, and when it's slowed down, I certainly think its a lot closer, but I still go block.

If it comes down to frame by frame I'll chalk it up to the officials getting it right no matter what 1 frame at a time may show.

Great clips.

The only ones I found my self questioning was the backcourt PC, I don't see the defender legally maintaining his lgp, and the last one, I think you get the rebound foul first and don't deal with all that armlock stuff. But once they are locked up like that as long as white gets the rebound and is going the other way can't you just no call it and let them have their fast break?

His left foot is on the floor in this pic. I'm not saying they missed it as it is very close play happening at a very rapid speed. In fact I though block seeing it live.

I don't think he has head and shoulders around the defender.


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I think this picture is also misleading. If you just look at this frame alone, then absolutely it looks like a charge. But if you watch the video of the path of the offensive player, he's not really going to the hoop. In fact he both takes off and lands outside the lane, whereas the defender is in the lane the entire time.

Doesn't contact to center chest show that he didn't get head and shoulders past or do you feel he didn't have LGP?

Contact with the center of the chest should not be a determining factor in calling either a block or a charge on any play. I feel the defender had LGP, and when the offensive player moved to his right, and didn't go through the defender, the defender slid into his path late. It's a close call no doubt, but I still go block

Shouldn't it be a determining factor if you feel the defender has LGP? If the defender has LGP and gets hit in the chest how can the foul be on him? The offense didn't get head and shoulders past. Now if you want to say he didn't have LGP than I understand the point of center of chest not being the determining factor. However I feel he got back in the path of the offensive player before he leaves the floor. It is close and I can understand how you can see it the other way as well.

You're right, and I agree with you how you worded this, I actually meant that center of the chest is irrelevant, because if you have LGP, you don't have to take it square in the chest, contact can be anywhere.

Slow down #3. Does it look like the offensive player hits the defender in the stomach?

Yes I agree with this. I was just meaning in this particular play it appeared in the center.