How to handle this...
 

Player A is bringing ball up court, defender B is putting token 3/4 court pressure on Player A. Teammate of Player A, call him A2, who also inbounded ball, is running up court passes within arms distance of Defender B. Defender B, extends fully his arm and displaces A2 as he passes. Anything here?

Sounds like a HTBT.

Lots of factors here. Level on contact, seeming intent of contact, have there been a lot of balls screens or brush screens by the ball handing team, how and and where is B creating contact, how much contact have been letting go, etc. . . .

If B just blatantly takes a shot at the player running by I'm ok with a foul, but I would have to see it to say one way or the other.

I couldn't even decipher what was going on.

If it was all "accidental" then pass unless A2 was truly hindered.

If it was in nay way "intentional" then call a foul -- especially if the game has been getting chippy.

Not accidental at all..... player basically stiff arms any and all players, in the chest, who might set a ball screen or is within his reach and nothing is ever called. Have watched this many times in person and on film and just wondering why atleast a "warning" isnt issued to player.

i believe a point of emphasis in the rules is blatantly disregarded here....
Rule 4-24 : Sec 24 : Art 6

You did a poor job describing the play and left it up to people's imagination. Nothing is being disregarded except facts in the OP.

Have you addressed this issue with the local officiating association?

OP made perfect sense to me. I have a foul. As I'm picturing this, in an open backcourt, everyone in the gym is going to see this and I'm not letting B get a cheap shot. Easy foul.

I'm envisioning the "screen-that's-not-really-a-screen". A2 jogs between A1 and B1 with his hands up in the air, careful not to make contact with B1.

If I deem the contact between B1 and A2 to be inhibiting to A2, I'll likely call the foul in hopes of discouraging such a play later on in the game.

If we trust the description of this play. He said this happens a lot; I cannot envision it happening a lot as described and nobody calling it.

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Put the film or clips on here. If a guy is stiff arming/shoving people, blatantly as you describe, that's a foul...but I'm with BNR--if it's that blatant, "many times" I'd think it would be called...at least every now and then.

Show us a play of what your talking about. I just need to see it. Thx

thanks to all... i am new to the forum world, so sorry DAD for performing poorly :)
reason i posted such thing and yes bas2456 you nailed it on description of what is happening VERY FREQUENTLY with NO CALL... i actually heard an official the other night telling a player that "its not causing any problems, get over it"

If they didn't think it hindered the defense, there's no real foul to call here. If they did, they should skip any warnings and just call the foul. They may be judging it differently than you are.

That tells me it's not actually hindering him in the judgment of the official, which would make it incidental contact.

Quote right from Rule Book

"it is not legal to extend the arms fully or partially in a position other than vertical so that the freedom of movement of an opponent is hindered when contact with the arms occurs"

i get that many times thru out games arms are extended and such contact is made, example: defenders locating cutters etc, but when its done in the open court or on ball screens how is this incidental?

So if I was a coach, and i see a defender contacting my player in this manner. Is it worth discussing with an official or am I wasting my energy?

Defenders do it to hinder the opponents movement. If it didn't help them, they wouldn't do it.

Are you a coach, player, official, or fan? If you have a high school rule book, look in rule four for "incidental contact."

If the contact isn't hindering anything, it's not a foul. Whether it's hindering anything is up to the judgment of the official, and judging by his statement you seem to have overheard, he didn't think it created an advantage.

I am a fan, just trying to become more educated and glad I found this forum. I understand the incidental/judgement call i guess but isnt the rule i stated earlier being disregarded? I guess IMO, an open court blatant stiff arm to an opponent sure looks bad and should be something. A Warning/Foul, a "hey kid, knock it off" thanks for input gentlemen, always nice to hear diff POV

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You seem to have taken the question as I intended it, but I wanted to clarify anyway. I didn't ask to denigrate your opinion, only to understand your perspective.

Whether it looks bad is often unrelated to whether it is illegal, and officials aren't (or shouldn't be) concerned with whether a play looks bad. Most of us are having a hard time envisioning a game where this is happening multiple times, with an advantage gained, and no call being made.

In the end, it's up to the official's judgment whether it created an advantage or not. If the official deems the contact isn't creating an advantage, then the rule you quoted earlier is not being disregarded, it's being judged differently than you think it should. There's a difference.

Without seeing video, though, it's impossible for us to judge.