What do you have in this clip?
 

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1) first time viewing
2) subsequent times

I do not have anything at this point on either the first look or the second look. It looks to me like his left foot is the pivot foot and he does not move that foot.

Peace

I would make the player a criminal defendant. 1st view…and 2nd

1st view, nothing.
Subsequent view: Looks to me like he gathers the dribble with both feet on the floor, proceeds to move his right foot (left now the pivot) and shoots. I've got nothing. Was this controversial or something?

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I didn't notice this until about the 5th time, but check out the kid in white who ends up on the floor.

Unfortunately, without replay we all probably miss this, but the kid in black (#20 something) should be done for the night for a flagrant foul.

Crap, I completely missed the punch focusing on the shooter.

Damn.

I think he's referring to what looks like a punch to the gut after the shot by the player in black in the paint (not the shooter). I didn't catch it the first time because like JRut, I was looking at the shooter. But it looks like a deliberate punch, although the video is fuzzy and it's a tough angle.

T should have been watching him come barreling in to the lane and could hve predicted some foul play. He went flying in like he was going to do some damage, IMO. Easy to miss live, though.

he said "in this clip" so i was looking for multiple things. thought he was focused on whether post player traveled….. until i saw the punch.

Ideally the C gets this. This is a great example of being diligent and not bailing to early as the C on a made basket.

I admit I missed it the first time through because I was looking for a travel on the shooter too.

This happened in a playoff game last week.

EDIT: The C doesn't bail here but he's watching the ball which he shouldn't. The L has that. I will observe any any all players as they clear the lane in transition. I have nightmares of stuff like this happening.

I think that C should have gotten the contact by Black and it should have been a FTF because the Ball was Dead at the time of the contact.

MTD, Sr.

C has the best angle, but T had "notice" since the kid came flying in from the T's primary. C stayed with the shooter a bit too long.

Answer to your question: Flagrant T on #20.

I'm guessing this went uncalled/unnoticed at the time. Once this video got out, was there any feedback to the crew for missing this?

I don't know the crew or what happened. I assume there was because this has been emailed to our whole association as an FYI.

I have nightmares about being in an FYI video as well.

That's been one of my pregame mantras, especially now in the post-season: I don't want to be on you-tube!

I had a travel the first time for dragging his right pivot foot. Since I see a defender lying on the ground afterwards, I'm assuming something was done for him to go to the ground.

So, I'm looking again and I see the punch to the gut.

1) travel

2) I thought white may have been pushed on the rebound from behind so that's what I was watching for.


Missed the punch.

I agree.

It took me a couple views to see the "punch" and then a couple more to decide it was deliberate.

If that isn't caught, I wouldn't be surprised. An official would have to be looking at exactly that from exactly the right spot at exactly the right time. That is why the NCAA has gone to video to review things like this....they are easy to miss even when you do things right.

I'd be in favor of expanding video review in HS games to include potential flagrant or intentional fouls. Might be a bit beyond reach right now, but it would be a better and more productive use of funds than buying shot clocks for every school. The plug-n-play technology already exists for this.

Upon first look - I thought the kid that traveled also accidentally ran over the white player... now I see the gut punch!
The missed travel call and the subsequent missed ejection is all on the C. What is he watching?
Two missed calls right in front of him.

I don't think it's a travel. I don't think he actually gathers the dribble until both feet are down, then he only moves his right foot. Legal, IMO.

I still think the T needs to be watching #20 more closely after he barreled into the lane from his watch.

Great Minds ...
 

Same here.

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Slowed it down and see the left foot as his pivot now.
I sticking with the missed punch being on the C not closing down on the weak side and getting closer to these bodies... Particularly on a layup! If this was a 17 ft jumper - I can see him hugging the sideline. There are eight bodies in the paint - he'd have a better view if he just sat on the bench. :confused:

1st View: Travel.

2nd view: Closer than I thought, might be legal.
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6th view after reading comments: Damnit.

This game was a playoff game apparently in CO.

He was too high during the play for my taste, but he doesn't need to get into the court to see what happened. If he's lower and not yet disengaged, he probably gets this.

well crap

If it is taking us several views to catch it, why is anyone expecting the official on the game to catch it live????

Trying to guess based on the MaxPreps site, I don't think it was a playoff game. I think it was from last week.

But, if I'm right....the two teams in this video will play again on Thursday :eek:

I agree.

I had a play a few weeks ago -- a step-back 3 where the shooter got clobbered. I missed the feet and only awarded 2 shot -- a fact I only noticed when I watched the video.

In NCAA D1 basketball, that's a monitor review. In my games, that's a missed call. I regret not getting it right, but I'm not beating myself up over it.

Especially since the OP gave no indication of what to look for. If the question was "What should the C have in this clip?", maybe it's different. Instead, we are being asked to watch all ten players at once, a task that basketball officials are only asked to do on the Internet.

1st view I'm looking for a travel on the post player who scores. I still think he was legal.

2nd view I'm still looking at the travel and notice white on the ground after the score. Thought maybe red #20 grabbed or pushed him.

3rd view I see a clear punch and FTF.

Would I catch this real time? I would hope so. I think the T should have been watching 20 since he left his area and was going very aggressively toward the paint where 4 players on white are getting in position to rebound. And I think the C had a good look and should have seen it. Though I can certainly see how it was missed in real time.

And maybe its just me but I really don't like how the C moves. After the made basket on the other end at the beginning of the video look how he opens his shoulders up to the baseline and then back pedals for a few steps. This may have something to do with why he never really gets in good position to step down as the C on the play in question.

Then after the basket he opens up his shoulders too early going the other way. He's never really square with the plays on the court and IMO this may be why he didnt get a good look. Perhpaps he misses this even if he's in perfect position but I don't like the way he moves regardless and its something I would point out when I'm asked to observe other officials.

Don't Be Asleep When The Ball Is Dead ...
 

Here, in two person Connecticut, we are always reminded that, as the trail, we should be watching for such activity immediately after a made basket. I wonder if some previous situation led to the sucker punch to the gut?

It's a pretty safe bet that the kid who threw the punch in this video is a "troublemaker" that my crew and I would have identified much earlier in the game. THAT guy gets my attention whenever and wherever he is on the floor. I'd like to think that I would not miss this if I were the C - however, I can't see thru players backs...These are the kinds of players and plays that can get you fired! I would DEFINITELY be watching him

btw...it took me 4 viewings before I saw what needed to seen. Good officials don't just officiate in a "vacuum" - they have a feel for the game and don't get surprised.