Bad Timing Of Events

[Nevadaref]

The problem is that the official signaled for a travel instead of recognizing his partner's whistle first. If he looks and sees his partner with a fist up, he knows that they need to talk before announcing a call. That would prevent the row with the coach. Simple mechanics and partner awareness.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

If he looks and sees his partner with a fist up, he knows that they need to talk before announcing a call ... Simple mechanics and partner awareness.

Fist and open hand. Let's talk. Basketball Officiating 101.

[Rich]

And a good coach would see the fist vs. open hand.

Frankly, this should all be settled with a quick, "the travel happened first" or "the foul caused the travel." If the coach wants to continue after that, it's on him.

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by Rich

And a good coach would see the fist vs. open hand.

I dunno -- I'm not sure we necessarily expect a good coach to see both signals and interpret them if the official he's looking at has an open hand and immediately signals travel I don't know it is reasonable to expect the coach to be looking around for the other officials. (Not, of course, that it excuses the coach's behavior.)

This also raises a pet peeve: why does it seem that no TV announcers seem to know the fist/open distinction. They get paid (a lot!) to watch basketball games and it seems routine that they speculate about a call without even noticing the signal (i.e., "he mus be calling a travel" with a fist in the air).

[SD Referee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

The problem is that the official signaled for a travel instead of recognizing his partner's whistle first. If he looks and sees his partner with a fist up, he knows that they need to talk before announcing a call. That would prevent the new with the coach. Simple mechanics and partner awareness.

Great point!!!!!

I am deliberately slow in everything I do trying to avoid circumstances like that.

[deecee]

We normally pregame if we have a double whistle and one is a violation versus a foul, we go with the violation. The only exception is if the foul caused the violation.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

The problem is that the official signaled for a travel instead of recognizing his partner's whistle first. If he looks and sees his partner with a fist up, he knows that they need to talk before announcing a call. That would prevent the new with the coach. Simple mechanics and partner awareness.

Has no one other than me ever not heard a partner's whistle when they make a call?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Smitty

Has no one other than me ever not heard a partner's whistle when they make a call?

+1

It happens occasionally.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by Smitty

Has no one other than me ever not heard a partner's whistle when they make a call?

Couple games a year I have a hard time hearing my own whistle, let alone a partners.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Smitty

Has no one other than me ever not heard a partner's whistle when they make a call?

Do you take a look? Hearing is only one of your senses.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Do you take a look? Hearing is only one of your senses.

If I hear a whistle I take a look. If I don't hear another whistle, why would I look at my partners? That would be odd on every call I make. Smell is a sense as well, but I don't use that very often on the court.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by Smitty

Smell is a sense as well, but I don't use that very often on the court.

Do you have some way to turn it off? If so, tell me you're secret. There are some places I wish I could.

[SD Referee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Do you take a look? Hearing is only one of your senses.

I think the better question that no one is asking is why is the Trail looking at something in front of the C?

Does the T not trust his partner, the C, to do his job and get the call right?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Smitty

If I hear a whistle I take a look. If I don't hear another whistle, why would I look at my partners? That would be odd on every call I make. Smell is a sense as well, but I don't use that very often on the court.

Because it appears that you may have some hearing issues.

Originally Posted by SD Referee

I think the better question that no one is asking is why is the Trail looking at something in front of the C?

Does the T not trust his partner, the C, to do his job and get the call right?

I thought of that too, but figured that the play could have been in transition.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Because it appears that you may have some hearing issues.

We can't all be as superhuman as you, apparently.