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AABATTEE Thu Feb 18, 2016 12:22pm

2nd year official
 
Greetings all, this has been a good season. I officiated in my first 3 Person game on the U.I.C Flames floor for a Nike Tournament. All my other games were mainly Boys Sophomore. Check me out on YouTube. I've learn to record some games. #Battees whistle work" and "Tonio the ref" I can handle constructive criticism .

scrounge Thu Feb 18, 2016 12:57pm

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Originally Posted by AABATTEE (Post 981469)
Greetings all, this has been a good season. I officiated in my first 3 Person game on the U.I.C Flames floor for a Nike Tournament. All my other games were mainly Boys Sophomore. Check me out on YouTube. I've learn to record some games. #Battees whistle work" and "Tonio the ref" I can handle constructive criticism .

perhaps it would be more productive to provide the link and ask for feedback on a specific situation or play? Just a thought....

Dad Thu Feb 18, 2016 01:02pm

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Originally Posted by scrounge (Post 981483)
perhaps it would be more productive to provide the link and ask for feedback on a specific situation or play? Just a thought....

This. If I have to watch a game for an official, especially a bad one(sophomore), I better be getting paid for it.

Edit: Blue text and all that.

AABATTEE Thu Feb 18, 2016 01:19pm

I just messaged somebody in regards to how to post a link...lol at getting paid to watch a sophomore game... Its only like 1-2 minute clips.

BigCat Thu Feb 18, 2016 01:29pm

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Originally Posted by AABATTEE (Post 981469)
Greetings all, this has been a good season. I officiated in my first 3 Person game on the U.I.C Flames floor for a Nike Tournament. All my other games were mainly Boys Sophomore. Check me out on YouTube. I've learn to record some games. #Battees whistle work" and "Tonio the ref" I can handle constructive criticism .

The stars on your flag should face forward. They make flags for the right sleeve.

You tend to move more "casually" then I would personally prefer. A lot of walking in the clip I watched. When you do move be firmer. Stand up straight…project some authority/confidence.

Cant really say anything about any calls because the camera is on you more than the game.

JetMetFan Fri Feb 19, 2016 08:09am

Have whomever records your game put the camera/recording device on a unipod. That'll prevent the "officiating during an earthquake" look. :)

AABATTEE Sun Apr 03, 2016 07:59am

Thanks, I have one now.

AABATTEE Sun Apr 03, 2016 08:03am

Thanks for the advice. I hate how I run and my overall look so I'm working on it.

ReffingAce Sun Apr 03, 2016 11:29am

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Originally Posted by Dad (Post 981486)
This. If I have to watch a game for an official, especially a bad one(sophomore), I better be getting paid for it.

Edit: Blue text and all that.

I'll pay you to not make comments like this... remember we all were at this stage in our careers at some point and hoped a veteran would devote a moment of time to us for the good of the game. It seems you are a bit jaded from your experience. Don't worry AAB, I'll have some critiques for you shortly. It takes a good official to openly ask for feedback on their game, you're on the right path.

BillyMac Sun Apr 03, 2016 12:41pm

I Believe The Children Are Our Future (Whitney Houston, 1985) ...
 
https://youtu.be/IYzlVDlE72w

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Originally Posted by Dad (Post 981486)
If I have to watch a game for an official, especially a bad one (sophomore), I better be getting paid for it.

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Originally Posted by ReffingAce (Post 985770)
I'll pay you to not make comments like this... remember we all were at this stage in our careers at some point and hoped a veteran would devote a moment of time to us for the good of the game.

Agree.

For more than thirty years, the way our local rating system worked was that varsity officials had to show up early (before beginning of second period) for the junior varsity game, and junior varsity officials had to stay (until halftime) for the varsity game, with everybody critiquing (and rating) everybody else.

That changed last year with a new rating system based on a team of volunteer (unpaid) trained observers. What also changed was the requirement that that varsity officials had to show up early for the junior varsity game, and junior varsity officials had to stay for the varsity game. There was no longer such a requirement.

Over the past two seasons since the change, almost all of my varsity partners still showed up to observe most of the junior varsity games, offering constructive criticism. Personally, I've been at the tipoff of every junior varsity game that preceded my varsity games offering constructive criticism during junior varsity halftime, and between the junior varsity and varsity games.

On the other hand, I can count on one hand the number of junior varsity officials that stayed for any part of my varsity games this past season, most just walked out the gym doors after their games. This past year, only one stayed past halftime of my game, taking notes in a journal.

There are lots of ways to learn, including, but not limited to, observing, asking questions, and receiving constructive criticism.

Kansas Ref Mon Apr 04, 2016 09:39am

haven't had a chance to peruse you vids yet (though it sounds like you've already begun some self-critique of some of your tendencies--i.e., how you run, how you look, etc...) but one thing to keep in mind is:
"you're never as bad a ref as they say you are; you're never as a good a ref as you think you are".

Adam Tue Apr 05, 2016 12:09am

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Originally Posted by ReffingAce (Post 985770)
I'll pay you to not make comments like this... remember we all were at this stage in our careers at some point and hoped a veteran would devote a moment of time to us for the good of the game. It seems you are a bit jaded from your experience. Don't worry AAB, I'll have some critiques for you shortly. It takes a good official to openly ask for feedback on their game, you're on the right path.

While he may have missed his mark, but he was being sarcastic.

Dad Tue Apr 05, 2016 10:49am

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 985850)
While he may have missed his mark, but he was being sarcastic.

I tried to be as obvious as possible. I'm a bit sad BillyMac didn't catch on.

Dad Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:02am

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Originally Posted by AABATTEE (Post 985766)
Thanks for the advice. I hate how I run and my overall look so I'm working on it.

Hate how you run why? Nothing really wrong with your overall look. Like a lot of new officials awkwardness comes off as looking like you don't want to be there. That'll naturally change and come with time/confidence. I guess while you're running you can make your arms look more athletic, but I'm still not seeing why you'd say you hate it.

My second year officiating someone told me to get ripped. I changed my diet completely and started working out -- a lot. There's good assigners here that say they don't care much about an officials look, but from my experience most assigners do whether they will admit to it or not. My third year I was told I'd break the varsity scene and possibly get a 3A game. I ended up doing 4A and getting post season assignments.

Plenty will disagree, but I'm now biased to believe that getting ripped has a large impact on your schedule. Not to mention all the other positive side effects from working out/not eating crap(Basically everything :( ).

Adam Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:49am

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Originally Posted by Dad (Post 985868)
I tried to be as obvious as possible. I'm a bit sad BillyMac didn't catch on.

That one surprised me as well.

BillyMac Tue Apr 05, 2016 04:02pm

"Sarcasm is lost in print." (Jon Cryer) ...
 
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Originally Posted by Dad (Post 985868)
I'm a bit sad BillyMac didn't catch on.

The lack of a blue font fooled me.

JRutledge Tue Apr 05, 2016 04:23pm

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 985850)
While he may have missed his mark, but he was being sarcastic.

I got the sarcasm too and laughed a little. ;)

Peace

BigCat Tue Apr 05, 2016 04:25pm

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Originally Posted by ReffingAce (Post 985770)
I'll pay you to not make comments like this... remember we all were at this stage in our careers at some point and hoped a veteran would devote a moment of time to us for the good of the game.

I agree wholeheartedly and go out of my way to avoid making these type of comments! Now, Having said that, how much were you going to pay?

Blue font type for all.....:)

(Now that is/was funny and I sure hope somebody takes time out to laugh at my joke)

ReffingAce Thu Apr 07, 2016 09:56pm

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Originally Posted by AABATTEE (Post 981469)
Greetings all, this has been a good season. I officiated in my first 3 Person game on the U.I.C Flames floor for a Nike Tournament. All my other games were mainly Boys Sophomore. Check me out on YouTube. I've learn to record some games. #Battees whistle work" and "Tonio the ref" I can handle constructive criticism .

Just looking at court positioning:

Wouldn't hurt to close down a bit further when working the T. You had a double whistle that started in your primary in the "free throw admin" video and ended up giving the L opposite of lane the call. If you were closed down, your call certainly would have looked much stronger.

Same video... You become cemented in at the L. I can tell you are making a distinct effort to show that you aren't ball watching because when you finally do open up to accept a play, it is very abrupt... you looked like a robot.

"Holding mechanic" video... No need to give preliminary signals with each call. After the whistle, simply designate to your partner whether you're shooting 2, 1 and 1, or a spot foul with possession. Great confidence in whistle though.

In all of your videos you close down nicely from the T once a shot has been taken. It's a good habit to have to get you to commit to the play and watch rebounding action. I don't see big problem with the running form. Get a few more videos when you can and try to keep the angle so that the whole play is in view. It will help define your true positioning as it relates to the ball and where play is happening in relation to your coverage on the floor. Keep up the good work!

ReffingAce Thu Apr 07, 2016 09:59pm

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Originally Posted by BigCat (Post 985898)
I agree wholeheartedly and go out of my way to avoid making these type of comments! Now, Having said that, how much were you going to pay?

Blue font type for all.....:)

(Now that is/was funny and I sure hope somebody takes time out to laugh at my joke)

I was going to donate my Final Four game check! (YMCA Men's B League) of course! ;)

Kelvin green Sat Apr 09, 2016 09:34pm

I agree with the comment about the flag patch. It does seem like you stand flat. Get rid of the preliminary signal every time. In my association if we tell partner two shots we don't go up so high.. You are in your pockets a lot. Are you not using a lanyard? In my association, that's a no no.

Dad Mon Apr 11, 2016 10:29am

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Originally Posted by Kelvin green (Post 986109)
I agree with the comment about the flag patch. It does seem like you stand flat. Get rid of the preliminary signal every time. In my association if we tell partner two shots we don't go up so high.. You are in your pockets a lot. Are you not using a lanyard? In my association, that's a no no.

I'd rather someone prelim too much than get in the habit of letting partners possibly guess on what was called. While I know that's not what you mean, it's the result of telling newer officials to stop using them so much. Imo, it's one of the last things you should work on.

I'd rather be obnoxiously sure we never have a correctly error.

jTheUmp Mon Apr 11, 2016 12:22pm

Preliminary signals are also a "when in Rome" thing... my association's clinician (who, it must be noted, is also an observer with the high school league and one of the guys who helps determine who gets state tournament assignments) wants us to do preliminary signals on EVERY foul call.

So, that's what I try to do, although I must admit that I'm not perfect at it.


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