High School Travel Call (Video)

[deecee]

I agree with the sentiment that if you need slo-mo to determine a travel then it's best to leave it alone.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by deecee

I agree with the sentiment that if you need slo-mo to determine a travel then it's best to leave it alone.

I need slo-mo from this angle. As the lead, would I?

[Camron Rust]

• He begins to hold the ball with the right foot on the floor making it the pivot.
• Then, he steps on his left foot.
• Then, he steps again on this right foot...which makes it a travel.
• And just in case you were unsure if he was holding the ball or not initially, he drags the toes of his left foot on the floor as he brings it through....also a travel.

[just another ref]

The guy in the video obviously didn't need slo-mo.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

The guy in the video obviously didn't need slo-mo.

Or did he call what looked funny? We would have to ask him if he knew what really happened.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Or did he call what looked funny? We would have to ask him if he knew what really happened.

Peace

I've seen too many to count here which may or may not have "looked funny" that were incorrectly no called, so maybe a slight correction in the other direction is not totally unthinkable.

[just another ref]

Watching Duke/NC . I was curious to see how long it would take to see a missed obvious travel.

4 minutes

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Or did he call what looked funny? We would have to ask him if he knew what really happened.

Peace

If we have no way of knowing, why even bother asking the question? Everyone is just going to guess.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Welpe

If we have no way of knowing, why even bother asking the question? Everyone is just going to guess.

Well it is assumed that other levels pass on travels purposely, so why can't we make reasonable assumptions about the high school level?

Peace

[OKREF]

If you judge the right foot is the pivot, it's a travel.
If you judge the left foot is the pivot, it's a travel. The reason for me is he drags the left foot after picking it up.

[A Pennsylvania Coach]

I'm dumbfounded that there is any debate on this. The freeze frame shows the right as the pivot. So, obvious travel. Even if you are of the opinion that you can't pick that up real time and view the left as the pivot (as I did on the first watch at full speed), the left is dragged.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by A Pennsylvania Coach

I'm dumbfounded that there is any debate on this. The freeze frame shows the right as the pivot. So, obvious travel. Even if you are of the opinion that you can't pick that up real time and view the left as the pivot (as I did on the first watch at full speed), the left is dragged.

That freeze frame doesn't show possession to me, just shows that ball is up in the air contacting his left hand.

And if we are doing freeze frames, then it can't be "obvious".

[Da Official]

Real time...I have the left as the pivot. Score the basket...play on. Not reaching for "looks funny" travel calls. Have a good day.

Slowed down...I agree the left drags (which I don't see in real time) so therefore a travel. The official got it right.

[ballgame99]

Originally Posted by A Pennsylvania Coach

I'm dumbfounded that there is any debate on this. The freeze frame shows the right as the pivot. So, obvious travel. Even if you are of the opinion that you can't pick that up real time and view the left as the pivot (as I did on the first watch at full speed), the left is dragged.

Dumbfounded? Obvious travel? You said so yourself that at full speed you thought the left was the pivot. And as was just mentioned above, if I'm looking for dragged toes on a move like this I'm not seeing if there is contact on the arm, I'm not assessing the LGP of the defender, among other things.

For this to be a travel you have to have clear view of the dribble ending with the right foot down. Maybe this official had that, but from the angle we do not.

[AABATTEE]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

Dumbfounded? Obvious travel? You said so yourself that at full speed you thought the left was the pivot. And as was just mentioned above, if I'm looking for dragged toes on a move like this I'm not seeing if there is contact on the arm, I'm not assessing the LGP of the defender, among other things.

For this to be a travel you have to have clear view of the dribble ending with the right foot down. Maybe this official had that, but from the angle we do not.

Good point, at our view we could not see that without the slow motion.