What a night

TimTaylor

Whistles & Stripes wrote
You did the right thing by referring them to the AD.

As far as the bench technical, the first time I hear something from an assistant, I'm inclined to tell the HC to take care of his bench. The second time, I whack without hesitation. And if the first comment is bad enough, I'll whack without warning. There's no way I'm listening to a group of 4 ASSistants for ANY length of time.

Agree..

Adam

SCalScoreKeeper wrote
Also how long is too long to pull the trigger on a bench technical foul? On several occasions (nearly a dozen) the entire visiting coaching staff (this guy had 4 assistants) were up yelling at the officials about foul calls and such.

First time I see this, I'm warning the HC (unless it's really bad).

After that, it's a T the very next time.

TimTaylor

Adam wrote
First time I see this, I'm warning the HC (unless it's really bad).

After that, it's a T the very next time.

Guys & Gals, let's theorize for a moment on the potentials in this type of situation - this could be fun!

HC has been warned, then more than one assistant subsequently stands and yells at the officials about a call. You can clearly identify which assistants stood.

By rule, how are you going to handle this?

Camron Rust

SCalScoreKeeper wrote
So Saturday night was our school's homecoming night.I guess I needed Pagett cause my JV girls game went dobule OT 😮 😉. The other 3 games all came down to the wire also.One thing I want to ask the wise sage's of the board-visiting varsity boys coaching staff asked me for the names of the officials so they could write a complaint to the area assignor.I refused and told them to talk to their AD who can pull the names from Arbiter.
Right move? Wrong move? No opinion?

The names should be in the scorebook. No reason for them to not have access to what is in the scorebook.

WhistlesAndStripes

TimTaylor wrote
Guys & Gals, let's theorize for a moment on the potentials in this type of situation - this could be fun!

HC has been warned, then more than one assistant subsequently stands and yells at the officials about a call. You can clearly identify which assistants stood.

By rule, how are you going to handle this?

I'm not sure exactly what you're getting at here, but I think I've got the basic gist.

By rule, you call a direct technical on each assistant that stood and yelled at the officials. The HC is charged with an indirect T for each of these technicals. If the number of TFs on the Assistants is 3 or more, then the HC is going to be ejected. 2 FTs for each TF on an assistant. Then the ball to the other team at the division line opposite the table.

TimTaylor

Whistles & Stripes wrote
I'm not sure exactly what you're getting at here, but I think I've got the basic gist.

By rule, you call a direct technical on each assistant that stood and yelled at the officials. The HC is charged with an indirect T for each of these technicals. If the number of TFs on the Assistants is 3 or more, then the HC is going to be ejected. 2 FTs for each TF on an assistant. Then the ball to the other team at the division line opposite the table.

Yep, that's exactly what I was getting at......

deecee

Whistles & Stripes wrote
I'm not sure exactly what you're getting at here, but I think I've got the basic gist.

By rule, you call a direct technical on each assistant that stood and yelled at the officials. The HC is charged with an indirect T for each of these technicals. If the number of TFs on the Assistants is 3 or more, then the HC is going to be ejected. 2 FTs for each TF on an assistant. Then the ball to the other team at the division line opposite the table.

But in reality this would only be the case if all 3 said something to earn a T, other wise I'm sticking one with a T. If it happens again I'm sticking one with a T again. I wouldn't dish out 3 T's here unless they each said "you're a @#$@# piece of @#$" or something to that effect. Then they are probably all gone, HC included. Game forfeit. I get to go home early. Not a bad finish actually.

OKREF

Camron Rust wrote
The names should be in the scorebook. No reason for them to not have access to what is in the scorebook.

My thoughts as well. I know here in my state, we are required to sign each teams books, as well as our ID number.

Smitty

Camron Rust wrote
The names should be in the scorebook. No reason for them to not have access to what is in the scorebook.

We never write our names in the scorebook, but the coaches have access to the Arbiter and who is assigned to their games by name and picture. That's how they can choose (during district play) to get different refs if they so choose.

BryanV21

I'm wondering why in the World did you put up with the assistants like that?

BigCat

BryanV21 wrote
I'm wondering why in the World did you put up with the assistants like that?

Maybe because.....SCalScoreKeeper....was the scorekeeper...:cool:

BigCat

deecee wrote
But in reality this would only be the case if all 3 said something to earn a T, other wise I'm sticking one with a T. If it happens again I'm sticking one with a T again. I wouldn't dish out 3 T's here unless they each said "you're a @#$@# piece of @#$" or something to that effect. Then they are probably all gone, HC included. Game forfeit. I get to go home early. Not a bad finish actually.

"When the fans leave the stands and all hell breaks loose, my job is done."

Deecee 2014 or 15. Still makes me chuckle. I can't remember which year you said it.

SCalScoreKeeper

And that's not even with me complaining about the visiting bookkeeper-in this case a player from their JV girls team,cheering and screaming as they fought their way back from 14 down to take a lead before falling by 10.I always write the names of the officials in my book-we even announce the crew during pre-game ceremonies,so she had more than ample time to write them in.Since we are an Arbiter state and a school can see who is working them I felt no need to bail the kid out who didn't do their job.

BillyMac

BigCat wrote
Maybe because.....SCalScoreKeeper....was the scorekeeper...

Or the CHSEagle has landed.

BryanV21

BigCat wrote
Maybe because.....SCalScoreKeeper....was the scorekeeper...:cool:

Umm... Well... Yeah.

All hail my literacy rate!

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TimTaylor

BillyMac wrote
Or the CHSEagle has landed.

Please don't tempt fate!:eek:

Adam

Whistles & Stripes wrote
I'm not sure exactly what you're getting at here, but I think I've got the basic gist.

By rule, you call a direct technical on each assistant that stood and yelled at the officials. The HC is charged with an indirect T for each of these technicals. If the number of TFs on the Assistants is 3 or more, then the HC is going to be ejected. 2 FTs for each TF on an assistant. Then the ball to the other team at the division line opposite the table.

TimTaylor wrote
Yep, that's exactly what I was getting at......

Take a look at 10.4.4B and see if you change your minds.

BillyMac

SCalScoreKeeper wrote
What a night.

I'm sorry, I couldn't help myself.

SCalScoreKeeper's thread title haunted me.

Guess what the link is and enjoy.

https://youtu.be/t3RqEl9s6NI

SCalScoreKeeper

Yeah-it was amusing,and I had a club volleyball tournament to officiate the next morning too lol

WhistlesAndStripes

Adam wrote
Take a look at 10.4.4B and see if you change your minds.

Maybe.

If, as the casebook says, they're all doing the same thing at the same time in reaction to the same thing, then I'd assess a single bench technical which is also charged indirect to the HC. If, however, one ASSistant is yelling about a traveling call, and another ASSistant is at the same time yelling about a foul he thinks should have been called, I'm whacking them both individually, and charging 2 indirects to the HC.