Time for a Rule Review?

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by Adam

In high school, they have essentially determined that all technical fouls carry the penalty of two shots and the ball. It's intentionally a more severe penalty.

BNR won't care, but going back to the history comments, it is more precise to say that HS did not follow NCAA in lessening the punishment for certain Ts. Ts in both HS and NCAA used to be 1 FT and the ball. Around the same time (earlyish 80s?) they each went to 2 FTs. Some time later NCAA introduced POI for some Ts.

(Many may recall the infamous Fab Five excessive time out call by Chris Weber, which turned over the ball in addition to the FTs.)

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

BNR won't care, but going back to the history comments, it is more precise to say that HS did not follow NCAA in lessening the punishment for certain Ts. Ts in both HS and NCAA used to be 1 FT and the ball. Around the same time (earlyish 80s?) they each went to 2 FTs. Some time later NCAA introduced POI for some Ts.

(Many may recall the infamous Fab Five excessive time out call by Chris Weber, which turned over the ball in addition to the FTs.)

We're back to 1 FT for all Class B and Administrative T's on the men's side.

NCAA-W lose possession for an excessive time-out.

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

We're back to 1 FT for all Class B and Administrative T's on the men's side.

Thanks, I had forgotten that -- I'm obviously not watching enough hoops on TV! And it's a distinction I like -- 1 FT for the "technical" technical fouls makes a lot of sense to me. (Not that anyone cares what I think makes sense . . .)

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Adam

In high school, they have essentially determined that all technical fouls carry the penalty of two shots and the ball. It's intentionally a more severe penalty.

My question for you is this. In the other post, you noted that you are a "Terps fan who is also a ref" or something like that. What level do you officiate?

I'm a college official who is the father of a Terps fan, does that count?

And I know Randy Edsall's brother.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I'm a college official who is the father of a Terps fan, does that count?

And I know Randy Edsall's brother.

I know of a college basketball official named Duke Edsall.

Who is this Randy Edsall that you speak of?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by coachjdb

OK...need some help from the HS stripes on this one. Recruiting for a team last week and saw this unusual play. Team A had possession of the ball at half court when player on Team B was called for a non shooting personal foul, a second later the fouled player on Team A was called for a technical foul. Two technical foul shots were taken by Team B and then they were given the ball opposite the table. I would have assumed that since the personal foul was prior to the tech that team A would have maintained the possession after the foul shots. To me this seems to be a questionable rule whereas team B received no negative effect of play as a result of the PF.

The difference between HS rules and college rules.

Team B did receive a team foul and B1 received a personal foul, that's their penalty. If Team A would have been in the bonus, they would have shot free throws, that would have been an additional penalty.

A1 needs to keep his mouth shut, especially when his opponent just got called for a foul.

[Raymond]

I don't need historical context to get the rules right today. Every week I have to jump back and forth from high school to college rules, that's enough to keep in my head without worrying about what somebody thought a rule was 5 years ago.

Officials who always bring up old rules are the ones I always find interpreting today's rules wrong

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[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I don't need historical context to get the rules right today. Every week I have to jump back and forth from high school to college rules, that's enough to keep in my head without worrying about what somebody thought a rule was 5 years ago.

Officials who always bring up old rules are the ones I always find interpreting today's rules wrong

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I think for some it can be helpful, but it depends on personality and how you learn. For me, it helps put things in context and remember the rules. For others, it clutters things up.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Officials who always bring up old rules are the ones I always find interpreting today's rules wrong

It's a double edged sword. Knowing the history of a rule can help some understand the context of a rule but it can also cause confusion if some have trouble separating the past from the present.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

It's a double edged sword. Knowing the history of a rule can help some understand the context of a rule but it can also cause confusion if some have trouble separating the past from the present.

Especially in a pre game or when you're in camp.

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