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Adam Fri Jan 22, 2016 03:10pm
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Originally Posted by so cal lurker (Post 977612)
Agree -- this is being radically shaped by how people are picturing the play. My initial picture was a foul followed by a push because the player was still trying to get the ref to call the foul. That to me is just a common foul, followed by a nothing.

But if it's a more violent push or more clearly after play is stopped, the whole scenario changes radically and common foul plus tech makes a lot of sense.

Personally, I'm hard pressed to see an intentional foul here with a common foul occurring first.
If I'm right on top of it, and the player's initial foul turns to an intentional foul before I can even finish blowing my whistle, I'm escalating to an intentional foul. We can't ignore a player being shoved down.

bob jenkins Fri Jan 22, 2016 03:14pm
I've had a similar play and gone with common plus CDBT (in NCAAW). Some confusion from the coach, but no real issues.

Camron Rust Fri Jan 22, 2016 08:27pm
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Originally Posted by Dad (Post 977598)
"The instant my whistle ends, B-2 shoves A-1 down."

If this is how the play went down what would you call?
If it happened that instant, it seems it was already in progress and could easily be part of that action. Can't really say....unless he is suggesting his whistle what really long.

NNJOfficial Sat Jan 23, 2016 01:05am
It sounds like the correct call is common then T, unless as has been pointed out, it's all part of the same initial contact.

I think another question you have to ask is why did this happen? Did you take too long to recognize the take foul and thus the defender felt it was necessary to make the contact more blatant or did something occur between the players that caused the defender to shove the ball handler?


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JetMetFan Sat Jan 23, 2016 08:35am
I'm in the "I would like to see the play" camp. If there's contact - whistle - (beat) - push, that's common and a T. I guess a question would be did it appear the defender was going to follow through with the contact on the common foul? That would be the one way to justify an IF. If they stopped themselves and then shoved, that's a T. Based on the OP it sounds as though the latter is what happened.

TimTaylor Sat Jan 23, 2016 02:14pm
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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 977595)
Or the "two" actions were really one extended action.

It sounds to me like the push came before the whistle was sounded. If it was that quick, it could very well have been one act.

I think I'd have to see it to know if I'd consider it one act or two.
Agree


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