Home and visitor book not matching

[stevehullsc96]

I'm a parent volunteer for the boys Freshmen team. Working the scoreboard/clock recently when the HBook and VBook were not on the same page. My team is home. HBook has playerX getting his 5th foul early into the 4th quarter. VBook shows only 4 for that player. They have not been matching up the fouls all game (which rarely, if ever, happens on our Freshman table - we're lucky if the VBook is even there).
A huge blow up occurs between the 2 scorers, with the VBook incredulous that it's correct and the home book is "clueless." Now both books are arguing back and forth, and it's causing a scene and I can't hear the referee on the court - game is continuing to be played. Finally, I had enough and after a made basket I hit the horn a few times to get the R to stop play and come to the table.
Was it ok to hit the horn then (as opposed to a true dead ball) to have the R come to the table and settle this? Also, does the VBook have any say in the situation at all, if Hbook is sure he's correct and no one else has any reason to question him?

[Adam]

First, yes, hit the horn during a dead ball (like after a made basket) to get the R to the table. If nothing else, you needed to get him involved because you couldn't hear them.

Second, unless there's reason to doubt the home book, I'm going with what it says. I'm not sure I could define "reason to doubt" here, though, because it would depend largely on the specific situation.

[bob jenkins]

If H book has a player with his 5th foul, then the official should be so notified and the issue discovered / addressed then. You (the books) might be able to figure out that either that foul or the one just prior was posted to the wrong player (in one book or the other).

If the issue goes back more than that, it's unlikely to be resolved -- especially at the Frosh level -- and you have to go with the H book.

[Amesman]

You are a part of the official crew, so yes, you need to be able to do your duties unencumbered so as long as you pick an appropriate time to halt play, you done good to buzz and get the ref over to help settle things.

How did the ref resolve this between the squabblers? Any threats of moving the V book off the table?

[stevehullsc96]

Thanks for the replies... R came over, did great. Calmly asked the VBook what his problem was, then asked the HBook. Asked HBook if he was sure he was correct? HBook said yes and that was it. HBook was official. The VBook only gave the scorer, and I, the "screw you" look a few more times the rest of the game.

[Amesman]

Originally Posted by stevehullsc96

... gave the scorer, and I, the "screw you" look a few more times the rest of the game.

See, told you that you ARE a full-fledged member of the official crew!

[stevehullsc96]

Originally Posted by Amesman

See, told you that you ARE a full-fledged member of the official crew!

Ha ha. Thanks. I'm feel like I've been initiated into a special club now.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by stevehullsc96

The VBook only gave the scorer, and I, the "screw you" look a few more times the rest of the game.

Never would this have been tolerated back when "The Eagle" was at the table assisting the floor officials!


BTW, I wonder where he landed?

[JRutledge]

Unless I can find the mistake or the reason there is a mistake, I am going with the home book (official book) all the time. If we can find the mistake that was made in the home book, then we will adjust. This is something the book people should have raised our attention about much earlier than when the 5 fouls occurred.

Peace

[jpgc99]

Originally Posted by Freddy

Never would this have been tolerated back when "The Eagle" was at the table assisting the floor officials!


BTW, I wonder where he landed?

This is hilarious. Great post.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Freddy

"The Eagle" ... I wonder where he landed?

Please don't tempt fate.

[BryanV21]

At least in central Ohio (at work, don't have my book handy to verify the rule), we're told the home book is the official book.

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Originally Posted by stevehullsc96

Was it ok to hit the horn then (as opposed to a true dead ball) to have the R come to the table and settle this? Also, does the VBook have any say in the situation at all, if Hbook is sure he's correct and no one else has any reason to question him?

Yes. It's simple, give the books a minute to go through everything and see if they can find the discrepancy. If they cannot, go with the official book and tell the other book to update to match the official book. If you really care that much you can check with the team benches to see if they have a second coach or something keeping stats as well but that is a little too complicated IMO.

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Yes. It's simple, give the books a minute to go through everything and see if they can find the discrepancy. If they cannot, go with the official book and tell the other book to update to match the official book.

Why? Isn't all you have to do is say "that's the official book, and that's what matters"? I would think since the other book is un-official, you would not instruct them to do anything.

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

Why? Isn't all you have to do is say "that's the official book, and that's what matters"? I would think since the other book is un-official, you would not instruct them to do anything.

You are saying you would allow both books to continue with a discrepancy?