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bballref3966 Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:43pm

Oregon State player trips official, ejected
 
Oregon State player trips referee - ESPN Video

RedAndWhiteRef Sun Jan 17, 2016 11:10pm

I'm friends with that official's son. He's the one who told me this happened.

That was about the dumbest thing that OSU player could possibly have done. In a tie game? Seriously?

WhistlesAndStripes Sun Jan 17, 2016 11:24pm

That's an easy ejection. Suspend him too. Multiple games for that crap.

Maineac Sun Jan 17, 2016 11:25pm

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Originally Posted by RedAndWhiteRef (Post 976953)
That was about the dumbest thing that OSU player could possibly have done. In a tie game? Seriously?

I have to ask, what difference does the score make in something like this?

Nevadaref Sun Jan 17, 2016 11:29pm

From Oregon State coach Wayne Tinkle: "I will have to review and discuss the entire play with Jarmal. Obviously we don't EVER want to shed a negative light on our program or university, or conduct ourselves in any manner other than first class, on or off the court."

Utah rallies for win after Oregon State player trips referee

Oregon State forward Jarmal Reid tripped a referee and was ejected with 2:56 remaining, starting Utah's rally that led to a 59-53 victory Sunday night.
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Jarmal Reid of Oregon State was given a flagrant 2 and ejected from the game for an apparent tripping of the ref: es.pn/1Orfw0F

Nevadaref Sun Jan 17, 2016 11:33pm

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Originally Posted by Maineac (Post 976957)
I have to ask, what difference does the score make in something like this?

Because if the team is down by 20 when he gets upset thinking that he was just fouled and does something stupid, it only hurts him. He will get ejected and likely suspended. However, if the score is close, he is also hurting his team as it impacts their chance of winning. That was the point of the previous poster.

RedAndWhiteRef Sun Jan 17, 2016 11:36pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 976961)
Because if the team is down by 20 when he gets upset thinking that he was just fouled and does something stupid, it only hurts him. He will get ejected and likely suspended. However, if the score is close, he is also hurting his team as it impacts their chance of winning. That was the point of the previous poster.

Nailed it.

Maineac Sun Jan 17, 2016 11:37pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 976961)
Because if the team is down by 20 when he gets upset thinking that he was just fouled and does something stupid, it only hurts him. He will get ejected and likely suspended. However, if the score is close, he is also hurting his team as it impacts their chance of winning. That was the point of the previous poster.

I understood the point. I just don't happen to agree. The apparent fact that he is selfish and a poor teammate doesn't make this conduct any more or less heinous in my opinion.

RedAndWhiteRef Sun Jan 17, 2016 11:46pm

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Originally Posted by Maineac (Post 976965)
I understood the point. I just don't happen to agree. The apparent fact that he is selfish and a poor teammate doesn't make this conduct any more or less heinous in my opinion.

I agree with that. I was merely pointing out the sheer stupidity of the offender.

AremRed Sun Jan 17, 2016 11:53pm

Tommy Nunez has seen some shit this year. I watched him ref a WNBA game two person after a ref pulled a hammy. Dee Kantner was there and Tommy motioned over that she should throw on her stuff but she didn't. :D

bas2456 Sun Jan 17, 2016 11:58pm

Apparently it was his 5th foul anyway...but did they end up going with a flagrant 2? The video I saw didn't go long enough.

AremRed Mon Jan 18, 2016 12:00am

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Originally Posted by bas2456 (Post 976978)
Apparently it was his 5th foul anyway...but did they end up going with a flagrant 2? The video I saw didn't go long enough.

They did, that is why the player went to the locker room instead of being able to sit on the bench.

Dad Mon Jan 18, 2016 12:37am

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Originally Posted by Maineac (Post 976965)
I understood the point. I just don't happen to agree. The apparent fact that he is selfish and a poor teammate doesn't make this conduct any more or less heinous in my opinion.

If you don't agree then you don't understand the point. His team is going to be 10x more pissed at him for causing a shift in momentum(reducing their chance at winning) then they are for him acting like an idiot in a 20 point game. It is more idiotic to trip an official in a tie game compared to a game you have no chance at winning. This has nothing to do with it being more or less ethical.

Maineac Mon Jan 18, 2016 12:45am

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Originally Posted by Dad (Post 976989)
If you don't agree then you don't understand the point. His team is going to be 10x more pissed at him for causing a shift in momentum(reducing their chance at winning) then they are for him acting like an idiot in a 20 point game. It is more idiotic to trip an official in a tie game compared to a game you have no chance at winning. This has nothing to do with it being more or less ethical.

It actually is possible to both understand the point and disagree with it. And you. I understand his team will be "10x more pissed." I just don't care what his team thinks. Not sure why I should.

Dad Mon Jan 18, 2016 12:57am

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Originally Posted by Maineac (Post 976991)
I understand his team will be "10x more pissed."

Hence there is a difference based on the score of the game. Whether you care or not is irrelevant. They had a scene about this sort of thing in Inside Out.

JRutledge Mon Jan 18, 2016 12:58am

If he is a key player, it does not matter what the score is because he is going to be lost for a few games at the very least. It was a tie game and he will be lost for some time and for his sake hope it is not lose for a much longer time. The school might take action as well. He embarrassed the school as much as anything.

Peace

Raymond Mon Jan 18, 2016 08:49am

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Originally Posted by Maineac (Post 976957)
I have to ask, what difference does the score make in something like this?

For the same reason the Cincinnati Bengals penalties were in the news.

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OrStBballRef Mon Jan 18, 2016 10:11am

One of these days I'm going to be able to complete a NCAA bracket with my alma mater (Oregon State), but it may not be this year /sigh...

So I watched the second half. About less than 6 minutes to play in that game we had a series of 3 fouls go against us within 1-2 trips down the court. One of those plays the kid who tripped the ref, Reid, flopped on the play (no call) and then while on the ground caused another Utah player to trip and a block was called on him. Both the non-call and the blocking calls were good ones IMO

I think Nunez was the official with the no call and then the block on Reid, IIRC. Then a trip or two down the court later the whole tripping incident occurred. Reid was probably frustrated at the prior blocking foul on him.

Reading my twitter post-game stuff related to OSU the media folks were of course saying from the HC the player had no idea the ref was there and didn't know what he did to earn the T (BS). Same ol stuff we deal with on our end.

We lost that game because we went ice cold the last 6-7 minutes of the game. I thought maybe one or two could have gone our way, but the bulk of the calls against us and the no-calls on our end were the right call.

Stupid thing Reid did and what pisses me off even more is he claims ignorance as to why he earned the T or what his actions were...just man up and admit your responsibility and deal with whatever consequences come up...

UNIgiantslayers Mon Jan 18, 2016 11:12am

Quick question here:

Was it a T? Is NCAAm different from NFHS in that a T can only happen during dead ball situations? Am I splitting hairs? Just curious on that ruling and what I would do in that situation.

JRutledge Mon Jan 18, 2016 11:20am

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Originally Posted by UNIgiantslayers (Post 977022)
Quick question here:

Was it a T? Is NCAAm different from NFHS in that a T can only happen during dead ball situations? Am I splitting hairs? Just curious on that ruling and what I would do in that situation.

Yes it was a T. You are not correct when you say you can only have a T during a dead ball. You can only have dead ball contact be a T in NF and that is not what this was called for. This was unsporting behavior. The basic rule is the same in NCAA as it is for NF rules. The only issue is the FF2 or just a Flagrant Foul when speaking between the two codes.

Peace

UNIgiantslayers Mon Jan 18, 2016 11:22am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 977025)
Yes it was a T. You are not correct when you say you can only have a T during a dead ball. You can only have dead ball contact be a T in NF and that is not what this was called for. This was unsporting behavior. The basic rule is the same in NCAA as it is for NF rules. The only issue is the FF2 or just a Flagrant Foul when speaking between the two codes.

Peace

Gotcha. I spaced on the unsporting behavior aspect. Good call.

BillyMac Mon Jan 18, 2016 05:30pm

Four Games ...
 
Oregon St suspends Reid minimum 4 games for tripping ref

Adam Mon Jan 18, 2016 05:31pm

4 games, with a potential for more depending on his behavior during that suspension. They should have tacked on another game for the "what did I do" BS, though.

WhistlesAndStripes Mon Jan 18, 2016 05:41pm

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 977075)
4 games, with a potential for more depending on his behavior during that suspension. They should have tacked on another game for the "what did I do" BS, though.


I think they already did. I think it was 3 for the trip and 1 for the "what did I do" BS.


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WhistlesAndStripes Mon Jan 18, 2016 06:53pm

Anyone catch the lady in the front row looking for a traveling call as Reid fell down with the ball??

Bad Zebra Mon Jan 18, 2016 08:15pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 977074)

I think he got off light. I'm surprised the conference didn't insist on a harsher suspension to set an example.

TimTaylor Mon Jan 18, 2016 09:19pm

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Originally Posted by OrStBballRef (Post 977018)
One of these days I'm going to be able to complete a NCAA bracket with my alma mater (Oregon State), but it may not be this year /sigh...

I hear you....we need another Ralph Miller.....

Reid really blew it big time. There is absolutely no excuse for this kind of behavior. One of the videos shows his eyes clearly tracking the official right before he sticks his leg out to trip him. Absolutely no question he earned the T & ejection - he should consider himself very lucky he only got a 4 game suspension, although from the announcement it is 4 games minimum, so it could potentially be longer.

Just heard on the news that he has apologized, so maye he got the message.....guess we'll see if/when he gets back on the court.

BlueDevilRef Tue Jan 19, 2016 09:38am

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Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes (Post 977086)
Anyone catch the lady in the front row looking for a traveling call as Reid fell down with the ball??


Ok, I admit, I laughed at this post and the thought of this


Oh wait, I thought the lady wanted a travel in the ref falling with the ball. Never mind, I'm spacey today

Adam Tue Jan 19, 2016 11:08am

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Originally Posted by TimTaylor (Post 977097)
I hear you....we need another Ralph Miller.....

Reid really blew it big time. There is absolutely no excuse for this kind of behavior. One of the videos shows his eyes clearly tracking the official right before he sticks his leg out to trip him. Absolutely no question he earned the T & ejection - he should consider himself very lucky he only got a 4 game suspension, although from the announcement it is 4 games minimum, so it could potentially be longer.

Just heard on the news that he has apologized, so maye he got the message.....guess we'll see if/when he gets back on the court.

Saw a tweet from him late at night that night, apparently (not a verified account) that was less than apologetic.

Pantherdreams Tue Jan 19, 2016 12:32pm

Darn dirty beavers.

Dad Tue Jan 19, 2016 12:40pm

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Originally Posted by Pantherdreams (Post 977155)
Darn dirty beavers.

Watch your mouth!


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