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Texref Thu Jan 14, 2016 12:41am

3 plays VIDEO included
 
Hey guys, wanted your opinion on 3 plays from this game. Sorry that I don't have anyway to edit the clips so the whole game is embedded. I am the fat bald guy in the video :)

If any of our video guys can clip these three plays, that would be fantastic!! I don't have the software to do it and what I have I can't get the video to upload.

<iframe width="620" height="375"
src="http://www.icblivetv.com/embed?scheme=embedVod&videoId=9578&pwidth=620&phei ght=375
&autoplay=no" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

East vs Flower Mound 1/12/16 (I have included the embed link for the video, but it is not showing so I've included the link as well)

3 plays:
1) Block call, I thought it was pretty easy but coach disagreed. Play starts at 15:44 mark.

2) Hold call. Play occurs at 23:20.

3) Throw in/no call with 9 seconds to go. Play starts at 1:24:30. (Here is the clip that coach sent, opposite side of floor from above video link) She says, "Missed it, defender slapped straight across the shooters arm…**** (name removed) even put his fist up! This was a game deciding no call."

I'm not sure why lead put a fist up and it is clearly a fist and it's after the girl hit the floor. He didn't say anything about the play other than he thought it was clean after the game. I didn't realize he had a fist until after viewing the clip from the coach.

zm1283 Thu Jan 14, 2016 12:55am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Texref (Post 976581)
Hey guys, wanted your opinion on 3 plays from this game. Sorry that I don't have anyway to edit the clips so the whole game is embedded. I am the fat bald guy in the video :)

If any of our video guys can clip these three plays, that would be fantastic!! I don't have the software to do it and what I have I can't get the video to upload.

<iframe width="620" height="375"
src="http://www.icblivetv.com/embed?scheme=embedVod&videoId=9578&pwidth=620&phei ght=375
&autoplay=no" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

East vs Flower Mound 1/12/16 (I have included the embed link for the video, but it is not showing so I've included the link as well)

3 plays:
1) Block call, I thought it was pretty easy but coach disagreed. Play starts at 15:44 mark.

2) Hold call. Play occurs at 23:20.

3) Throw in/no call with 9 seconds to go. Play starts at 1:24:30. (Here is the clip that coach sent, opposite side of floor from above video link) She says, "Missed it, defender slapped straight across the shooters arm…**** (name removed) even put his fist up! This was a game deciding no call."

I'm not sure why lead put a fist up and it is clearly a fist and it's after the girl hit the floor. He didn't say anything about the play other than he thought it was clean after the game. I didn't realize he had a fist until after viewing the clip from the coach.

1. Block - Nothing in the video to suggest otherwise.
2. Good get.
3. Absolutely nothing there. Ugly play but nothing.

biggravy Thu Jan 14, 2016 01:08am

1. Block
2. Good get. Looks like there was a hold on the block before that one.
3. Hmm... there's no way to see the arm really from either angle but 12 had her left hand on the shooter's hip before the catch and on the shot.

Going to guess it was white's coach who sent the tape and the comments. I would have stuck her at 23:23 if I was trail. If not before that...

Also, a big THANK YOU. When people put game tapes out there, knowing they may even receive criticism, it gives us all plays to discuss and things to study. It helps make us all better.

BigCat Thu Jan 14, 2016 01:12am

1. Block
2. Hold
3. I see the defenders arm out in front of the shooter but I can't see contact. She thinks it's a game decider. The fact that she, the coach, allowed the tall girl in black to score 36 points (out of 52 total) had nothing to do w it. :eek:

JRutledge Thu Jan 14, 2016 01:23am

I cannot see the videos at all. Did the link move?

Peace

AremRed Thu Jan 14, 2016 02:03am

Play 1: No call

Play 2: Great call, gotta get that before it escalates

Play 3: Absolutely nothing. Girl is taking a fadeaway shot while moving laterally as well, no way I'm bailing her out. Alternate angle is worse, does not show defender coming down. Hand on the hip is irrelevant, the shooter was heading that direction anyway. Referee the defense -- defender had her arm vertical, or at least close enough. Coach is blowing smoke. Lead probably got surprised which is why he put his fist up. Thankfully no whistle.

Nevadaref Thu Jan 14, 2016 02:43am

I would have made the same three decisions as the game officials did.
1. Blocking foul against an opponent in the act of shooting.
2. Defender impeded the opponent's freedom of movement. A holding foul seems to be the best signal to use.
3. Legal defending while the opponent forces a 3pt attempt. There was plenty of time to get a better shot.

It takes courage to post video of yourself. I applaud you.

JetMetFan Thu Jan 14, 2016 08:14am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Texref (Post 976581)
2) Hold call. Play occurs at 23:20.

One thing I noticed on this play - other than the proper call, of course - is four eyes were on the ball when the call was made. Truth be told, the C appears to have been ball-watching during most of the play. Given where the hold took place I would've expected a double whistle.

ballgame99 Thu Jan 14, 2016 08:35am

1. Block all day. What did coach want? When coaches protest a call like this that tells me they just like to argue anything so I don't give them much of an audience going forward.
2. Great call.
3. Ugly, but nothing.

Texref Thu Jan 14, 2016 11:33am

Thanks for the feedback and the time to look at plays. The reason I posted I first 2 plays is the coach did not like either of them. The block led to a warning for the coach and the hold she said the girl deserved an oscar for her acting. The last play was what she sent to me after the game before I even made it home.

Dad Thu Jan 14, 2016 11:41am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Texref (Post 976609)
Thanks for the feedback and the time to look at plays. The reason I posted I first 2 plays is the coach did not like either of them. The block led to a warning for the coach and the hold she said the girl deserved an oscar for her acting. The last play was what she sent to me after the game before I even made it home.

Coaches tend to not like calls that go against him. No matter how great/easy the call is.

jTheUmp Thu Jan 14, 2016 11:42am

#1: Block or no-call... but better to go with a block.
#2: Good call. C could've had a better look than the L, but he was probably more concerned with the dribbler coming into his area.
#3: Nothing. I can understand why the coach was upset, but she had a terrible angle on the play.

mrroberts Thu Jan 14, 2016 11:43am

All 3 calls look good to me.

frezer11 Thu Jan 14, 2016 11:48am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Texref (Post 976581)
1) Block call, I thought it was pretty easy but coach disagreed. Play starts at 15:44 mark.

Did the coach want a player-control foul or a no call? I can see letting this one go as the offensive player seemed to already be moving away from the hoop, but I have no problem with the call on the floor either. Certainly not on the offense though.

Pantherdreams Thu Jan 14, 2016 12:35pm

1. Block or no call I could buy it either way. Good call. Definitely not PC.
2. Thats a good call. Without watching the rest of the game you just now have to make sure anything at that standard is gotten by the group.
3. Good call. It looks bad from 2nd angle and from coaches view probably worse but there is nothing there.

Smitty Thu Jan 14, 2016 01:49pm

1. Tough to see what the contact was from the angle of the camera. I have to assume the defender made contact, so I'll give the benefit of the doubt.
2. Good call
3. From the coach's angle, I can see why she thought it was something. It looks bad from the angle of her video snippet. When I watched the full feed (had to use my phone to view it), it looks like there was nothing there. Almost as if the shooter realized she wasn't getting a shot off because the defender was straight up and she tried to get a desperate call.

I've had that coach 3 times this season. If she's winning she's easy to work for. If she's not winning, she's complaining a lot.

Raymond Thu Jan 14, 2016 02:45pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smitty (Post 976631)
...

I've had that coach 3 times this season. If she's winning she's easy to work for. If she's not winning, she's complaining a lot.

Based on what I saw in this video, she's a coach I would need to tell "that's enough" at some point in the first half.

riverfalls57 Thu Jan 14, 2016 02:47pm

All three look good to me, especially #2.

packersowner Thu Jan 14, 2016 05:27pm

#2 could be straight from the IAABO video play of the week, I think it was either last week or this weeks video.

#3 If the coach sent me this play, I would reply back, "If #30 had actually screened the defender, there would not have been anything to look at."


Good calls, thanks for the video upload.

Texref Thu Jan 14, 2016 07:01pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smitty (Post 976631)
I've had that coach 3 times this season. If she's winning she's easy to work for. If she's not winning, she's complaining a lot.

She's a real peach to be around. This was first, and only time, I've had her this season. We do not see eye to eye and it goes back to when she was the jv coach and I stuck her.

She did get warned after the first play. She did not get a T this game although I maybe could have 3rd quarter. I made a call and I think she was yelling at me but she had lost her voice so I couldn't hear anything. Oh well...

referee99 Fri Jan 15, 2016 10:25am

Hey Tex
 
Looks like a good game.

If you want a solution to downloading the video, consider the following:

Fiverr.com is a place to go to get small projects done. Basic projects cost $5.50. Anyways, there are many there who have the capability to download streaming files. They download, post to dropbox and send a download link. The quality was great and it took less than 24 hours.

For those on Windows or Linux platforms, the guy's method may be an option: "I use the FFmpeg command line tool to download the video stream as its original file directly from the server."

WhistlesAndStripes Fri Jan 15, 2016 12:15pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by packersowner (Post 976667)
#2 could be straight from the IAABO video play of the week, I think it was either last week or this weeks video.

#3 If the coach sent me this play, I would reply back, "If #30 had actually screened the defender, there would not have been anything to look at."


Good calls, thanks for the video upload.

Be very careful about the tone you use when communicating with coaches, ADs, etc, whether on the court or in an email or a phone call later. In this day and age, anything written and sent can come back to haunt you later. Even in this day of video cameras in phones, and these things called YouTube and the interwebs, you never know where your behavior or communications on the court may appear.

No matter how right we may be, as officials, there is a higher level of expectation for us. Act professionally at all times.

packersowner Fri Jan 15, 2016 12:24pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes (Post 976717)
Be very careful about the tone you use when communicating with coaches, ADs, etc, whether on the court or in an email or a phone call later. In this day and age, anything written and sent can come back to haunt you later. Even in this day of video cameras in phones, and these things called YouTube and the interwebs, you never know where your behavior or communications on the court may appear.

No matter how right we may be, as officials, there is a higher level of expectation for us. Act professionally at all times.

R-E-L-A-X - I was joking

Dad Fri Jan 15, 2016 12:28pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by packersowner (Post 976720)
R-E-L-A-X - I was joking

Cheerleader.

Raymond Fri Jan 15, 2016 01:26pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes (Post 976717)
Be very careful about the tone you use when communicating with coaches, ADs, etc, whether on the court or in an email or a phone call later. In this day and age, anything written and sent can come back to haunt you later. Even in this day of video cameras in phones, and these things called YouTube and the interwebs, you never know where your behavior or communications on the court may appear.

No matter how right we may be, as officials, there is a higher level of expectation for us. Act professionally at all times.

Quote:

Originally Posted by packersowner (Post 976720)
R-E-L-A-X - I was joking

Yes you are, but this is a perfect example of how tone and mood cannot be interpreted by those reading someone else's words.

And who says W&S is not relaxed? All he did was type a response. ;)

packersowner Fri Jan 15, 2016 02:06pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 976739)
tone and mood cannot be interpreted by those reading someone else's words.

....should be the banner phrase of every forum I have ever seen or been on, hopefully most realize that.

But I do find it comical in this situation that this coach felt it necessary to point out what she felt was a mistake by the crew, when the root cause of the problem was her own players.

Raymond Fri Jan 15, 2016 02:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by packersowner (Post 976750)
....should be the banner phrase of every forum I have ever seen or been on, hopefully most realize that.

But I do find it comical in this situation that this coach felt it necessary to point out what she felt was a mistake by the crew, when the root cause of the problem was her own players.

I thought it was more funny that I couldn't determine anything by the angle she sent in.

packersowner Fri Jan 15, 2016 03:00pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by badnewsref (Post 976751)
i thought it was more funny that i couldn't determine anything by the angle she sent in.

+1


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