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Ballbasketball Wed Jan 13, 2016 05:52pm

Two shot foul or on the floor
 
Player A drives to the basket for layup. After the ball is released and before Player A's feet touch the floor, Player B gives a slight nudge both Player A and Player B fall to the floor. The basket is no good. Is it safe to say that is a two shot foul because Player A's plane was broken and was not allowed to complete his descent back to the floor?

OKREF Wed Jan 13, 2016 05:56pm

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Originally Posted by Ballbasketball (Post 976544)
Player A drives to the basket for layup. After the ball is released and before Player A's feet touch the floor, Player B gives a slight nudge both Player A and Player B fall to the floor. The basket is no good. Is it safe to say that is a two shot foul because Player A's plane was broken and was not allowed to complete his descent back to the floor?

Never "On the floor". Either shooting or non shooting foul. This would be two shots, because he is a shooter until he comes back to the floor.

Rich Wed Jan 13, 2016 05:57pm

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Originally Posted by Ballbasketball (Post 976544)
Player A drives to the basket for layup. After the ball is released and before Player A's feet touch the floor, Player B gives a slight nudge both Player A and Player B fall to the floor. The basket is no good. Is it safe to say that is a two shot foul because Player A's plane was broken and was not allowed to complete his descent back to the floor?

He's an airborne shooter until when?

Ballbasketball Wed Jan 13, 2016 06:12pm

Until he returns to the floor

Ballbasketball Wed Jan 13, 2016 06:19pm

If Player A returns
 
If Player A returns to the floor after the shot and immediately is nudged, this would be a non shooting foul?

frezer11 Wed Jan 13, 2016 07:10pm

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Originally Posted by Ballbasketball (Post 976550)
If Player A returns to the floor after the shot and immediately is nudged, this would be a non shooting foul?

Correct, though Mutant would incorrectly disagree

jTheUmp Wed Jan 13, 2016 07:29pm

Correct... and if in doubt, the shooter was still airborne when the foul occurred.

BillyMac Wed Jan 13, 2016 07:44pm

What's On The Floor ???
 
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Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 976546)
Never "On the floor". Either shooting or non shooting foul.

Things Officials Should Probably Not Be Saying In A Game

Calvin Coolidge once said, "The things I did not say never hurt me." Of course, he was not talking about basketball, but many officials would be smart to heed his sage advice as they communicate with coaches, and players.

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"On the floor”, sometimes stated by officials for fouls against players who are not in the act of shooting, is also not rule based. This implies that a player cannot be on the floor, and shooting, at the same time, when in reality the old fashioned set shot, still used by some three point shooters, is a classic example of a player, on the floor, who is also in the act of shooting. Better statement: “No shot”.

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Finally, a thought by Will Rogers, “Never miss a good chance to shut up.”

Raymond Wed Jan 13, 2016 08:28pm

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Originally Posted by Ballbasketball (Post 976544)
Player A drives to the basket for layup. After the ball is released and before Player A's feet touch the floor, Player B gives a slight nudge both Player A and Player B fall to the floor. The basket is no good. Is it safe to say that is a two shot foul because Player A's plane was broken and was not allowed to complete his descent back to the floor?

Just because I'm nosey, are you a new official or a player/coach trying to get a better grasp of the rules?


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