Co-Head Coach Whacked
 

Last night we had the pleasure of having co-head coaches. As the R, I told them whoever is standing will be considered the head coach for the night.

They were both chirping about traveling. I informally told them to watch the player's pivot foot and these were not travels.

A few minutes later the sitting coach was still at it. It was a dead ball and I gave the most official bench warning I have ever given in my young career. I proceed to the center position for our free throw and the sitting coach is still yelling about being a co-head coach......WHACK!

Then a few minutes later in the game, the standing coach (who is now sitting) asks why he wasn't given more leeway. :rolleyes:

Wasn't the first time, won't be the last, but seriously, "WHAT THE HELL?!?!?"

No such thing as Co-Head Coaches by rule... there's only one Head Coach.

Sounds like you Took Care Of Business... kudos to you.

I would have let them know that there's no such thing as a co-head coach. Therefore, pick one and only he will get any head coach privileges. Which includes the fact that only the head coach is to speak to the officials.

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There is only 1 head coach. When I worked in Southern California there was a team that had "co" head coaches. When I had them they knew my philosophy. The first guy that stood up when the game started was the head coach, everyone else was treated as bench.

They also had some reinforcement when about 1 minute into my first game with them I whacked the coach that was sitting because the hint and warning wasn't enough to get my message across.

I had a real co-head coach once
 

I would say whomever attends the pre-game meeting is the head coach. This is no different than doing a sub varsity game where the "JV" coach is the head coach for the game. I have had the Varsity coach on the bench, when s/he stands up and wants to argue, I remind them, that while they are important, they are not the head coach for the game and are subject to being bench personnel.

Not to hijack this thread, but assuming these were instances of traveling prior to dribbling.

This year, I have had numerous occasions where I have had to remind coaches that its not always a violation to pick up your pivot foot.

No they aren't. :D

They are an ASSistant for that game if they are on the bench. Treat them accordingly.

When I have this, I make them choose right away. I'm not going to play a guessing game of who is the head coach, and I'm not going to wait until the game starts to know. If neither stands before one requests a timeout, I want to know who to listen to. If a player needs to be replaced before one of them stands, I want to know who to talk to. If a bench player gets a T before one of them stands, I want to know who gets the indirect T. Advise them they need to pick before the game starts, give them a minute to sort it out in "private," then get the answer.

:) I do what I can do to make everyone feel welcome :)

Only one is going to be the head coach and the other is going to be normal bench personnel that is going to sit just like the players or statistician. It is that simple.

Peace

One HC. As someone once said here, deal with the organ grinder, not the monkey.

In a sub-varsity game around here, the "JV" coach is the JV head coach. There are not air quotes. When I'm working a JV game (always the front end of a JV/V DH), I have absolutely no concern as to whom the Varsity coach may be. I worry about that when the Varsity game is about to start.

My apologies. We did figure out who was playing the part of the head coach at the pre game conference.

He definitely earned his technical foul. I think the other coach couldn't keep him in check because they hold the same position. Most assistants that get a head coach into some hot water will get a stern look from the head coach and a talking to.

When I'm working a team I've never worked before, I ask when we go over for handshakes "who's the boss?". I have partners who will ask the players who the HC is during warm-ups. There is really no excuse for us not to garner that information prior to tip-off.

With the change in the pre-game conference contained in this year's Official's Manual, which now calls for ONE conference that includes the captains and the head coaches, this should be very easy information to get at that time. Call for the head coach from each team to join in the pow wow, and you have your information.

There is no such thing as a "co-head coach" as far as I'm concerned. I'm only dealing with one person when it comes to conveying info and an acknowledging timeout requests by rule. Everyone else bench personnel.

And I have very little tolerance for bench chatter. I would not have been telling "them" anything in regards to travels or what to watch for. Only the HC and only if he had a specific question. I'm not getting into a debate on travels with the HC, let alone an assistant.

In Virginia we still do a players only captains meeting at mid court, usually between the 15 and 10 minute mark, and then meet and greet the coaches in front of their respective benches somewhere around the 2:30 mark of pre-games. At that time I'll ask who the HC is if I don't already know or its not clear.

We don't do that in Wisconsin, either. Still a captain's meeting at 12 minutes and greet the coach at 1:30.

When do you all intend to join the rest of us in following what NF wants?

I don't sit on the VHSL basketball committee, so I can't give you that answer. No one around here ever discusses it, go figure.

I do what my state wants and they have a pregame protocol we are to follow.

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The more coaches, the more fun the game is.

We had a Wisconsin team in Minnesota last week and the coach had a hard time figuring out he needed to be at the 12 minute conference.

Is that a requirement in your state? The conference at a certain time is only a recommendation that is not always followed for multiple reasons.

Peace

If I were one of the coaches, I just wouldn't sit down.

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In AZ we don't do it either. We do captains at 8:00 and coaches @ 2:00.

Whats the purpose for two different meetings? Or is the coaches meeting just a quick intro, "Hey, I'm Dewey and these are my partners Chet and Howe" Or are you doing something more formal during this time, like asking for game administrator, noting any specific court or other items, etc?

We walk from our positions opposite the table over to the visiting bench, shake coaches hands, introduce ourselves, and I say, "coach, have your team ready to play on the 2nd horn and do you have any questions?" Then do the same for the home team.

Afterwards we are in front of the table for the anthem and lineups. Takes about 15 seconds per bench. My captains meetings may take 30 seconds. So about 1 minute combined for all of it.

If VHSL and/or my association ask us to change then I'll do what is asked but honestly it has never come up in my 10 plus years of officiating in this state. I'm pretty sure it was the same protocol when I played HS ball in the mid 90s, and I believe its done the same way in MD, where I worked for several years as well.

Co-Head Coaches?

Luke Walton is curious as to which one gets credit for the victories/losses? :p

Only One Prize ...
 

My nomination for Post O' The Month. Wait? I'm being told ... What? Who? Never mind.

Yes, please, never mind.

It's only good once a year.

Co-Heads can make the game interesting
 

I know in NCAAW, if a team says it has co-head coaches any technical foul given to one coach also applies to the other head coach. Had a friend who tossed a coach several years ago and it got out that technically speaking he also should have tossed the Co-head coach (they introduced themselves before the game and said they were co-heads). Naturally he didn't do this but we did get a good laugh over it

I highly doubt NCAA-W has a provision for co-head coaches.

A.R. 280. A team has co-head coaches.
RULING: Before the start of the game, the team shall designate who
the coach with “standing” privileges shall be. Both coaches shall be
assessed all direct technical fouls.
(Rule 10-4.4.a and 10-4 Penalty)

That is why I said "highly doubt" instead of "am sure". :D

So you know what I'm doing next.

A.R. 264. A team has co-head coaches.
RULING: Before the start of the game, the team shall designate who
the coach with “standing” privileges shall be. Both coaches shall be
assessed all technical fouls.(Rule 10-4.2.f.1 and 10-4.2)

Rule 10-4.2 makes no note of co-coaches, so this is strictly born out of case book interpretation.

("co-" only appears in the NCAA-Men's rule book in combination with the root word "morbid")