End of Quarter

[Valley Man]

A1 dunks at the end of the 3rd quarter as the horn sounds. A1 then proceeds to do a chin up and gets a T.

Start the 4th with 2 FT and B ball at division line and AP stays in same direction it is already pointing.

Is A1 a player or bench personnel?

[JRutledge]

He is a player that is legally on the court and the action did not take place during intermission. The action took place during play.

I think to make him bench personnel is a stretch and not likely the intent of the rule (which matters).

Peace

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Valley Man

A1 dunks at the end of the 3rd quarter as the horn sounds. A1 then proceeds to do a chin up and gets a T.

Start the 4th with 2 FT and B ball at division line and AP stays in same direction it is already pointing.

Is A1 a player or bench personnel?

If you are starting the 4th quarter with the FTs for the T, then you judged / ruled the T to happen during the intermission.

If you judged / ruled the T to happen during the 3rd quarter, then you should shoot the FTs for the T as part of the 3rd quarter and start the 4th quarter with the arrow.

[Valley Man]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

If you are starting the 4th quarter with the FTs for the T, then you judged / ruled the T to happen during the intermission.

Then the coach loses his box?

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

If you judged / ruled the T to happen during the 3rd quarter, then you should shoot the FTs for the T as part of the 3rd quarter and start the 4th quarter with the arrow.

Then team B loses the 2nd part of the penalty for getting a T


I agree with all being said though.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Valley Man

Then the coach loses his box?

Is a "player" a "team member" during intermission? Is Intermission between quarters or only at halftime? What happens when a "team member" commits a T during intermission?

Then team B loses the 2nd part of the penalty for getting a T

The rule is clear that no part of a penalty carries over between quarters.

I agree with all being said though.

I'm just trying to get you to reason through to the right answer. When does a quarter end?

[Valley Man]

I appreciate it. I believe the play is over and the quarter has ended. He just happened to be on the rim when it ended! His actions happened after the quarter has expired.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Valley Man

I appreciate it. I believe the play is over and the quarter has ended. He just happened to be on the rim when it ended! His actions happened after the quarter has expired.

He was an airborne shooter?

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Is a "player" a "team member" during intermission? Is Intermission between quarters or only at halftime? What happens when a "team member" commits a T during intermission?

A "player" is always a "team member" during the game. I think the differentiation you are looking for is, is he a "player", or is he "bench personnel"?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

A "player" is always a "team member" during the game. I think the differentiation you are looking for is, is he a "player", or is he "bench personnel"?

Correct. I apologize.

I also agree that the whole "airborne shooter" issue is the determining factor.

After all, if he committed a personal foul, or was fouled while in the air but after the horn had sounded, we'd treat that as being part of the third quarter.

I don't see this as any different.

now, if the shot went in, the horn sounded and THEN someone jumped up in celebration and grabbed the rim, it would be part of the fourth quarter.