10 Second Backcourt Violation
 

Pass is made from back court with two seconds to go, is it a back court violation if:
1. Pass is in air at end of ten second count and has not been touched in front court;
2. Pass bounces inbounds in front court before ten second count expires but is not touched in front court until after ten seconds have expired.

See ball location rule.4-4-2,3. 1 is a violation. 2. No violation. Ball has achieved FC status when pass hits floor in FC. See also 9-8. 10 second rule.

Yes, and have fun explaining this to the offending team's coach!

What would be difficult about it?

Nothing at all with regards to the explanation. Most coaches I've had to explain this to don't get the definition of frontcourt status. They're usually incredulous.

The ones who I don't have to explain it to know the rule

Too bad for them. When you give them the curtesy of an explanation, you are engaging in a lecture, not a debate. They can accept your explanation and move on, or they can act incredulous, continue to argue, and then be subject to a rule I am sure all coaches are familiar with.

And then the coach will claim they haven't seen that rule enforced against them in 30 years!

Or "that's not the way they called it last night!"

Or the one they use on every call against them - "call it both ways". Gee - I wish I had a nickel for every time I've heard that. :p

When I give an explanation on a rule, I keep it to one or two sentences, as simple as I possibly can. If they want to act incredulously, they can do so as I'm walking away, having explained my call.

The last time I had to explain a "confusing" rule (a backcourt violation), the coach kept interrupting me. I finally said "Would you like an explanation or not?" He said "No", and that was the end of it. I hope he looked up the rule later.

I promise you he didn't. 99% of the time, I'm limiting my comments to 5 words. Sometimes, it's just "That's not the rule, Coach."

For JV/V coaches should have to pass a simplified rules test. Too many wachos shouting 3 seconds and that was a backcourt when they are just ignorant of the rules.

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That's why the "List" exists.

https://forum.officiating.com/basket...tml#post968846

One of these days you will realize you will not have to explain anything to a coach and be OK with that fact. ;)

When we get enough experience and realize we have to explain very little, we will be happier as officials. Coaches argue with us about basic rules, so why would we expect them to be understanding about the complicated ones?

Peace

How about parents, too? :cool: Amazing the things I "learn" listening to confident angry parents . . . I particularly love the blood curdling shrieks for a three second call while multiple tips and putbacks are taking place in the key . . .

How about when you don't call the "reach"? That's one of my favorites!

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In Wyoming, the HC is required to take the same open book test we do. Our small group has invited the local coaches to take the test with us. (We never do a V game locally, only sub-V)

Earlier in the season, I heard this one......17 seconds into the game after one of my P's called a foul! :eek:

As I reported a foul, apparently against her boy's team, a lady in the stands yelled, "Call it both ways!" With the foul I had just reported, the foul count was 8 to 5, in favor of her team . . . I smiled and looked at the scoreboard. Out of the corner of my eye, I saw a man, seated near her, go over and talk to her. . . She didn't say a word for the rest of the game.

Then there was the coach who yelled at me, "You gotta make some calls at the other end!" I smiled, and replied, "I will, coach, in the second half." To which he answered, "OK, then!" and sat down. As I moved away from their bench area, his assistant said, quietly, to me, "I'll explain it to him, later!"

I had one where a coach was complaining about the foul count...."The fouls are 7 to 2!!!" Me..."Coach, your team is the one with two". Didn't hear another word from him. :D

Had a coach do that to a partner this season when the count was 8-3 in his favor. Some coaches are just pre-determined to complain. SMH

We probably dodged a bullet as a crew Saturday because of a comment one of my partners made to a coach about the foul count.

Middle of the 3rd...count is 7-1 against him and he asks my partner (who had just reported a foul) "How is it possible we have 7 fouls and they have 1?" My partner said "Because we have passed on things that should have been fouls against your girls."

I have to remind myself numerous times per game that "silence cannot be quoted" because I have said many things I shouldn't...... I have never used the line you quoted above, but I have responded to the same question with "Because your team has fouled 6 more times than your opponent"........and as soon as I say it I think to myself that I need to just keep my mouth shut or talk with a little more tact.....