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WhistlesAndStripes Wed Dec 16, 2015 03:53pm

Number of Team Members Allowed
 
This partial post from another thread brings to mind an interesting question.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jTheUmp (Post 973189)
83 fouls = 16 players fouling out + one player with 3 fouls. If you get two teams with 17-18 players on the squad (like I had last night)... it's certainly doable.

What is the most team members you normally see? Most of the scorebooks I've seen only have room for 15 players per team. Most of my games have 12 or less, but occasionally a team may have more than that on the bench, even though you know some of them won't be playing.

Our state tournament only allows 12 players on the roster. I believe there is an allowance for some alternates too in case of injury between the end of the region tournament and the start of the state tournament.

What do most of you see?

JRutledge Wed Dec 16, 2015 03:57pm

16 or 17 is not unusual. But seeing around 12 is not way off either at many schools for the boys teams.

Peace

Dad Wed Dec 16, 2015 04:04pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 973196)
16 or 17 is not unusual. But seeing around 12 is not way off either at many schools for the boys teams.

Peace

16 or 17 isn't unusual?

Rich Wed Dec 16, 2015 04:15pm

We'll see anywhere from 9 to 17 on the varsity bench. Typical is about 12.

Postseason here has a limit of 15.

Dad Wed Dec 16, 2015 04:17pm

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 973199)
We'll see anywhere from 9 to 17 on the varsity bench. Typical is about 12.

Postseason here has a limit of 15.

I notice it a few times a year and at a glance when there are 17 players I recognize a few of them from JV. Never see them play, so, meh.

JRutledge Wed Dec 16, 2015 04:25pm

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Originally Posted by Dad (Post 973198)
16 or 17 isn't unusual?

Nope. There are many times where they have to "split" a section to get two players in the same column in the score-book. I see that often. There is no regular season limit but there is one for the post season. I think many of the kids are lower level players that a coach wants to use every now and then.

Peace

bob jenkins Wed Dec 16, 2015 04:34pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dad (Post 973198)
16 or 17 isn't unusual?

Well, 17 is odd, but it's not unusual.

I had 20 in an NCAAW game recently.

SNIPERBBB Wed Dec 16, 2015 06:21pm

I had 26 on my junior high basketball team. They only cut one player. Imagine what that book looked like. Last year that happened at that school.

just another ref Wed Dec 16, 2015 09:32pm

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Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB (Post 973224)
I had 26 on my junior high basketball team. They only cut one player. Imagine what that book looked like.


Forget the book. Imagine what practice looked like.

JetMetFan Thu Dec 17, 2015 06:15am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 973204)
Well, 17 is odd, but it's not unusual.

I had 20 in an NCAAW game recently.

I'll raise you two. 22 on an NCAAW roster in November. Team was in NYC from Ohio and brought its JV squad along. The players were all in uniform so all of them went into the scorebook.

Raymond Thu Dec 17, 2015 08:47am

I have a D3 squad I've had twice this season that dressed 19 players each game.

jTheUmp Thu Dec 17, 2015 09:40am

By the NFHS rulebook, the limit is 31, but that's only because of the numbering requirements.

Eastshire Thu Dec 17, 2015 10:29am

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Originally Posted by jTheUmp (Post 973272)
By the NFHS rulebook, the limit is 31, but that's only because of the numbering requirements.

It's 36 isn't it? 0,1,2,3,4,5 are possible as the first or second digit gives 36 combinations.

UNIgiantslayers Thu Dec 17, 2015 10:31am

I've reffed twice this season for a team that was using crazy numbers (73, 38, etc.) These were sub varsity games. Anything I can do in that case?

Raymond Thu Dec 17, 2015 10:32am

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Originally Posted by UNIgiantslayers (Post 973285)
I've reffed twice this season for a team that was using crazy numbers (73, 38, etc.) These were sub varsity games. Anything I can do in that case?

Get really good, really fast so you don't have to ref those games anymore. :D

UNIgiantslayers Thu Dec 17, 2015 10:37am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 973287)
Get really good, really fast so you don't have to ref those games anymore. :D

That's what I figured.

bob jenkins Thu Dec 17, 2015 11:03am

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNIgiantslayers (Post 973285)
I've reffed twice this season for a team that was using crazy numbers (73, 38, etc.) These were sub varsity games. Anything I can do in that case?

Ask your local / state association whether that (or any other uniform) restriction is to be enforced at sub-varsity levels.

so cal lurker Thu Dec 17, 2015 11:52am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eastshire (Post 973284)
It's 36 isn't it? 0,1,2,3,4,5 are possible as the first or second digit gives 36 combinations.


35. They can't have both 0 and 00.

Of course, they can have more than 35 but would have to suffer the consequences of an illegal number . . .

bob jenkins Thu Dec 17, 2015 11:59am

Quote:

Originally Posted by so cal lurker (Post 973303)
35. They can't have both 0 and 00.

Of course, they can have more than 35 but would have to suffer the consequences of an illegal number . . .

The "0 and 00" argument is for 36 total vs. 37. They can't have "1 and 01" either, but that doesn't bring the total down to 34.

Here are the combinations:

0 1 2 3 4 5
10 11 12 13 14 15
20 21 22 23 24 25
30 31 32 33 34 35
40 41 42 43 44 45
50 51 52 53 54 55

Robert E. Harrison Thu Dec 17, 2015 12:01pm

Legal Numbers
 
Please count again. 0,1,2,3,4,5 is 6 numbers.
Bob types faster than I do.

14 players is the number I see most often.

so cal lurker Thu Dec 17, 2015 01:34pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eastshire (Post 973284)
It's 36 isn't it? 0,1,2,3,4,5 are possible as the first or second digit gives 36 combinations.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 973304)
The "0 and 00" argument is for 36 total vs. 37. They can't have "1 and 01" either, but that doesn't bring the total down to 34.

Here are the combinations:

0 1 2 3 4 5
10 11 12 13 14 15
20 21 22 23 24 25
30 31 32 33 34 35
40 41 42 43 44 45
50 51 52 53 54 55

Doh!!!

jTheUmp Thu Dec 17, 2015 09:27pm

Yeah, it's 36, not 31... counting is hard.

And... to think... I was a Math minor in college.

So, in an absolute worst case scenario, you could have 358 total fouls on players in a single game (everyone fouls out except one player per team, and those two players have 4 fouls apiece, in a situation where both teams still have a theoretical chance to win the game).... plus however many technical fouls... which could theoretically be infinite, given an infinite number of assistant coaches (which it seems like some schools are at least attempting to have on staff).


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