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UNIgiantslayers Fri Dec 11, 2015 11:08pm
Whacked my first of the season tonight
 
Coach was whining all night. Whatever, I can handle that. Gets animated about a couple, raising his voice. I'm not large and he played D1 as a lineman so he is known for trying to bully his way into calls. He's yelling about a foul at one point (screaming and carrying on). I say "coach, enough." He stops, but I know more is coming. His girl goes in out of control and I don't hit my whistle because defender had LGP and his girl went into her while she's backpedling. All of a sudden I hear his clipboard smack the floor HARD. I knew exactly what he did and whacked him. My partner at halftime said "Man, I was gonna hit him with the Boston Tea Party but before I could even get the breath to hit the whistle, you were already done with the T and telling him to put his seatbelt on." I'm normally slow to T them up, and try not to be a dick but that was a no brainer. Hope you guys have a good Friday night slate of games!

Mlancaster Sat Dec 12, 2015 12:34am
So you whacked him but didn't see what he did?. 😱
Ballsy!

constable Sun Dec 13, 2015 05:34am
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Originally Posted by UNIgiantslayers (Post 972636)
Coach was whining all night. Whatever, I can handle that. Gets animated about a couple, raising his voice. I'm not large and he played D1 as a lineman so he is known for trying to bully his way into calls. He's yelling about a foul at one point (screaming and carrying on). I say "coach, enough." He stops, but I know more is coming. His girl goes in out of control and I don't hit my whistle because defender had LGP and his girl went into her while she's backpedling. All of a sudden I hear his clipboard smack the floor HARD. I knew exactly what he did and whacked him. My partner at halftime said "Man, I was gonna hit him with the Boston Tea Party but before I could even get the breath to hit the whistle, you were already done with the T and telling him to put his seatbelt on." I'm normally slow to T them up, and try not to be a dick but that was a no brainer. Hope you guys have a good Friday night slate of games!

Takin' care of business isn't being a dick.

They are the ones being a dick with the poor behaviour. You just happen to be the one telling them they can't do that.

UNIgiantslayers Mon Dec 14, 2015 12:52pm
Yeah I don't have a huge problem whacking them. Some officials around here are REALLY reticent to issue a technical. I'm not sure why.

BigT Mon Dec 14, 2015 12:57pm
Do you think it is because they will get a rep and their arbiter might think they have a fast whistle? I am sure it goes through the minds of a lot. And why we must have a line that our leadership agrees with.

Dad Mon Dec 14, 2015 12:59pm
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Originally Posted by UNIgiantslayers (Post 972823)
Yeah I don't have a huge problem whacking them. Some officials around here are REALLY reticent to issue a technical. I'm not sure why.
Don't have a huge problem? Sounds like you have zero problem no-look whackin' coaches.

UNIgiantslayers Mon Dec 14, 2015 01:10pm
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Originally Posted by Dad (Post 972825)
Don't have a huge problem? Sounds like you have zero problem no-look whackin' coaches.
He was the only guy with a clipboard. A clipboard that falls out of the hands doesn't echo like that. That was a no-doubter. Should I have looked first? That's an honest question.

SC Official Mon Dec 14, 2015 01:22pm
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Originally Posted by Dad (Post 972825)
Don't have a huge problem? Sounds like you have zero problem no-look whackin' coaches.
I don't need to look at a coach to know what he said or did.

Rich Mon Dec 14, 2015 01:26pm
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Originally Posted by SC Official (Post 972831)
I don't need to look at a coach to know what he said or did.
Nope. I had a clipboard slammer one of my first years working (probably late 1980s). The metal clip broke off and slid across the floor in front of me. Whack. Did I see him slam the clipboard? Nope. Did I think twice about the technical foul? Nope.

I once ejected a baserunner from a baseball game in Europe for saying some words to me in a language I didn't understand. Got that one right, too.

Nevadaref Mon Dec 14, 2015 01:30pm
You waited way too long to handle this. Let me share with you how I would have dealt with this coach.
My comments are inserted below in red.

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Originally Posted by UNIgiantslayers (Post 972636)
Coach was whining all night. Whatever, I can handle that. [After the second or third whiny comment, he gets told "I've heard enough of that, coach." I'm certainly not listening to it all game.] Gets animated about a couple, raising his voice. I'm not large and he played D1 as a lineman so he is known for trying to bully his way into calls. He's yelling about a foul at one point (screaming and carrying on). I say "coach, enough." [I whack him right here. His behavior is poor and unsporting.] He stops, but I know more is coming. His girl goes in out of control and I don't hit my whistle because defender had LGP and his girl went into her while she's backpedling. All of a sudden I hear his clipboard smack the floor HARD. I knew exactly what he did and whacked him. [Second T comes here and he leaves.] My partner at halftime said "Man, I was gonna hit him with the Boston Tea Party but before I could even get the breath to hit the whistle, you were already done with the T and telling him to put his seatbelt on." I'm normally slow to T them up, and try not to be a dick but that was a no brainer. Hope you guys have a good Friday night slate of games!
You are too slow to deal with the initial bad behavior and so it escalates throughout the game. You need to address the problem sooner and make it known that you will not tolerate it. Frequently, this prevents the blow-up.

UNIgiantslayers Mon Dec 14, 2015 01:34pm
Thanks for the input, I'm here to learn. I have them again tomorrow night, so I'll keep the short leash thing for sure.

Rich Mon Dec 14, 2015 01:38pm
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Originally Posted by UNIgiantslayers (Post 972835)
Thanks for the input, I'm here to learn. I have them again tomorrow night, so I'll keep the short leash thing for sure.
The game starts as any other -- fresh slate for them and for you.

But the advice above is good. Shut down the whining early, warn, and then whack if that's what's called for.

#olderthanilook Mon Dec 14, 2015 02:15pm
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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 972837)
The game starts as any other -- fresh slate for them and for you.

But the advice above is good. Shut down the whining early, warn, and then whack if that's what's called for.
To be fair, he told us he gave coach the stop sign in the OP.

So, he effectively W n' W. aka Warned and Whacked. ;)

HokiePaul Tue Dec 15, 2015 11:40am
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Originally Posted by UNIgiantslayers (Post 972636)
"...you were already done with the T and telling him to put his seatbelt on."
The recommended procedure in my area when you T a coach is to report the foul and walk away. Let your partner remind him that he needs to take a seat while the free throws are being administered. This helps diffuse the situation rather than potentially escallating to a second T.

Rich Tue Dec 15, 2015 11:48am
I recommend that no official goes near the coach while the free throws are being attempted. A coach is going to vent and will likely not sit down immediately -- there's no reason to throw fuel on the fire.

If the coach isn't seated by the time we're ready to move on, then one of the non-calling officials needs to slide over there and remind him. Most times this isn't necessary.


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