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Adam Fri Dec 11, 2015 12:27am
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Originally Posted by JeffM (Post 972463)
I think he earned a T, but your response may have been effective.

In my opinion, if you look like a "fresh face", it might be good to let him know that he can't bark at you. I suspect it would depend on whether your assignor would support it.

Sometimes coaches are right when they yell for three seconds and sometimes they are right when they yell for travels.
Coaches are never right when they yell for anything. deecee has it right. Another version of what he said is, "You're hear to coach your players, not me."

JRutledge Fri Dec 11, 2015 12:28am
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Originally Posted by RedAndWhiteRef (Post 972436)
"This is varsity. Not JV anymore. You need to be making those calls."

I found this extremely condescending and really wanted to whack him, but he hadn't said anything profane and it probably wasn't a good idea to whack someone in my second varsity game, so I look him square in the eye and say, like a teacher to a kindergartner, "Coach. Stop. Now." I run back down the court and hear him muttering something about "Call the walks yadda yadda yadda."

What are some go-to phrases that you all use to get a coach off your back? Should I have whacked him?
Anytime a coach says something personal or questions your integrity, those things need to be addressed. Giving a T for this is easy. You let that go on way too long and should have just T'd him and that would have sent the message. If he continued, well sometimes when the roll the dice, they just might crap out.

I get the apprehension as you are new, but you do not have to be disrespected to do your job.

I also want to get away from telling people what to say on these things because you have to say things that fit your personality and your sense of humor. Also of what you have to say has to come natural and has to fit situation. Some of us are funny, straight forward, sarcastic, hard-azzed and just plain grumpy, so you have to do what works mostly for you.

Peace

JetMetFan Fri Dec 11, 2015 12:58am
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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 972480)
Anytime a coach says something personal or questions your integrity, those things need to be addressed. Giving a T for this is easy. You let that go on way too long and should have just T'd him and that would have sent the message. If he continued, well sometimes when the roll the dice, they just might crap out.

I get the apprehension as you are new, but you do not have to be disrespected to do your job.
What Jeff said.

One other thought: You rarely regret the technicals you call. Many times you regret those you don't.

zm1283 Fri Dec 11, 2015 01:18pm
I'll admit it: I regret not calling one last night in a girls game. The visiting HC was down 30+ in the 4th quarter getting turboclocked and said something T-worthy. It wasn't that bad but it would have been a good ABS technical. I didn't pull the trigger and it's bothering me today.

WhistlesAndStripes Fri Dec 11, 2015 01:28pm
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Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 972483)
What Jeff said.



One other thought: You rarely regret the technicals you call. Many times you regret those you don't.


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Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 972551)
I'll admit it: I regret not calling one last night in a girls game. The visiting HC was down 30+ in the 4th quarter getting turboclocked and said something T-worthy. It wasn't that bad but it would have been a good ABS technical. I didn't pull the trigger and it's bothering me today.

Looks like JetMetFan was right.


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bainsey Fri Dec 11, 2015 01:39pm
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Originally Posted by RedAndWhiteRef (Post 972436)
What are some go-to phrases that you all use to get a coach off your back?
With eye contact, and a hand on my chest, slowly, "Coach... we got this."

Used this one yesterday. Coach A wanted three seconds on his opposition on B. (Second half, so opposite end.) It wasn't the first time. As the T (2 man), I paused a second to make sure B-1 wasn't leaving the lane, and I got that call, then gave my look and line to Coach A.

His reply, "Oh, I wasn't talking to you. I was letting my kids know they're in the lane too long."

refinks Fri Dec 11, 2015 01:41pm
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Originally Posted by bas2456 (Post 972478)
Interesting. I've always called it because I think they gain an advantage by walking into their shot without dribbling. I think this is a different discussion for a different thread though. Carry on.

OP: As soon as he tells you something along the lines of you being a JV official...ring him up. You've earned your way to the varsity level.
I tend to agree, if they are gonna bring the level of the game and the level of our officiating into it, that's an automatic for me. In this situation, he may not have directly came out and said the OP was JV official, but it was definitely hinted it.

refinks Fri Dec 11, 2015 01:48pm
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Originally Posted by RedAndWhiteRef (Post 972436)
Hey all, had just my second varsity game of my career (it was girls) last night. The game isn't too different, just the coaches are a lot more animated and will get on you more, especially if you're a fresh face like me.

At some point during the third quarter one of the teams started pressing. And I kid you not, on five (5) straight possessions up the floor, that team's coach is in my ear screaming for travels. Five. I mean, girls are barely touching the ball before passing it off to beat the press and he's like "Walk! That's a WALK!" After the third possession I tell him, "We hear you, Coach." After the last time, he growls at me, "This is varsity. Not JV anymore. You need to be making those calls."

I found this extremely condescending and really wanted to whack him, but he hadn't said anything profane and it probably wasn't a good idea to whack someone in my second varsity game, so I look him square in the eye and say, like a teacher to a kindergartner, "Coach. Stop. Now." I run back down the court and hear him muttering something about "Call the walks yadda yadda yadda."

What are some go-to phrases that you all use to get a coach off your back? Should I have whacked him?
In your situation, he is definitely borderline on being whacked. Especially since you said you warned him after the 3rd time and he still kept going, I am whacking him.

As you get more experienced you'll learn when to whack a coach and when to just warn.

As far as phrases to use, "stop" or "I've heard enough" pretty much mean the coach's leash is gone. Anything more and he's getting whacked.

In some cases, just saying stuff like "We'll watch for it coach" or "I'm taking a look" or "I hear you coach" will work. It all depends on the coach.

OKREF Fri Dec 11, 2015 03:07pm
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Originally Posted by RedAndWhiteRef (Post 972436)
Hey all, had just my second varsity game of my career (it was girls) last night. The game isn't too different, just the coaches are a lot more animated and will get on you more, especially if you're a fresh face like me.

At some point during the third quarter one of the teams started pressing. And I kid you not, on five (5) straight possessions up the floor, that team's coach is in my ear screaming for travels. Five. I mean, girls are barely touching the ball before passing it off to beat the press and he's like "Walk! That's a WALK!" After the third possession I tell him, "We hear you, Coach." After the last time, he growls at me, "This is varsity. Not JV anymore. You need to be making those calls."

I found this extremely condescending and really wanted to whack him, but he hadn't said anything profane and it probably wasn't a good idea to whack someone in my second varsity game, so I look him square in the eye and say, like a teacher to a kindergartner, "Coach. Stop. Now." I run back down the court and hear him muttering something about "Call the walks yadda yadda yadda."

What are some go-to phrases that you all use to get a coach off your back? Should I have whacked him?
When you said this, and he said this, is when the T happens.

Rich Fri Dec 11, 2015 03:35pm
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Originally Posted by RedAndWhiteRef (Post 972436)
Hey all, had just my second varsity game of my career (it was girls) last night. The game isn't too different, just the coaches are a lot more animated and will get on you more, especially if you're a fresh face like me.

At some point during the third quarter one of the teams started pressing. And I kid you not, on five (5) straight possessions up the floor, that team's coach is in my ear screaming for travels. Five. I mean, girls are barely touching the ball before passing it off to beat the press and he's like "Walk! That's a WALK!" After the third possession I tell him, "We hear you, Coach." After the last time, he growls at me, "This is varsity. Not JV anymore. You need to be making those calls."
Whack. Seriously. That's the spot and don't let that go.

Dad Fri Dec 11, 2015 03:51pm
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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 972591)
Whack. Seriously. That's the spot and don't let that go.
I'm way more likely to T a coach here than I am to T a coach for mumbling.

Grats on getting some varsity! Keep it up, dealing with coaches will come with time.

UNIgiantslayers Fri Dec 11, 2015 03:55pm
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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 972591)
Whack. Seriously. That's the spot and don't let that go.
Yep. No reason to deal with disrespect. He's on a real short leash the rest of the game with me for that one.

Adam Fri Dec 11, 2015 03:56pm
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Originally Posted by refinks (Post 972568)
In your situation, he is definitely borderline on being whacked. Especially since you said you warned him after the 3rd time and he still kept going, I am whacking him.
The thing with warnings is you have to follow through when they run through them. There's nothing borderline here.

RedAndWhiteRef Fri Dec 11, 2015 11:48pm
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Originally Posted by refinks (Post 972565)
I tend to agree, if they are gonna bring the level of the game and the level of our officiating into it, that's an automatic for me. In this situation, he may not have directly came out and said the OP was JV official, but it was definitely hinted it.
Well, I had worked the JV game beforehand too, so he wasn't entirely wrong. Whatever the case, I now know I should have given him a T.

I've only given one in my four-plus years of officiating--rung up a kid for clapping in his opponent's face after blocking a shot. That one was a no-brainer.

BatteryPowered Mon Dec 14, 2015 09:12am
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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 972480)
Anytime a coach says something personal or questions your integrity, those things need to be addressed. Giving a T for this is easy. You let that go on way too long and should have just T'd him and that would have sent the message. If he continued, well sometimes when the roll the dice, they just might crap out.

I get the apprehension as you are new, but you do not have to be disrespected to do your job.

I also want to get away from telling people what to say on these things because you have to say things that fit your personality and your sense of humor. Also of what you have to say has to come natural and has to fit situation. Some of us are funny, straight forward, sarcastic, hard-azzed and just plain grumpy, so you have to do what works mostly for you.

Peace
That...and going after my partner(s). Filled in last minute for two in a JV Boys tourney last week. Coach starts in on me needing to help my partner. I said "Coach, change topics I don't want to hear it." He continued so I said "Coach, last time. You will not talk about my partner to me." When he kept going...WHACK. He even had the never to ask "What was that for?" I just looked at him after reporting and said "Really?" and walked away.


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