(Old) college PC rule
 

Disclaimer: Gene Collier - from the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette - is known to embellish his articles for the purposes of entertaining readers...

With that being said, he has an article in today's paper (Gene Collier: Rule changes in college basketball require a trip to the classroom | Pittsburgh Post-Gazette) where he's discussing college rules changes. One of the ones he reviews is the PC rule. He makes the following claim:

<i>"The better new rule is that an offensive player can no longer score on a charge, which eliminates the caveat that he darn well could if he released the shot before knocking a previously stationary defender deep into the nachos."</i>

To me, this implies that in previous years, a collegiate player could have left the floor, released a shot, <i>then plowed into a defender,</i> been whistled for a PC, have the ball go in the basket, and <b>still have been credited with two points!</b>

Any truth to this one?

Yes.

In NCAAM, yes. The NCAAW rule has mirrored the NFHS rule for as long as I can remember.

Count The Basket, Let's Shoot One And One Down The Other End ...
 

This would also have been true under NFHS (high school) rules about thirty years ago.

I'm sure that Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. will be moseying along shortly to confirm this very old interpretation.

You must not have paid much attention to college basketball in the past.

Why?

Why? Because A1 (the Shooter) would not have been charged with a PCF against B1 (the Defender) but would have been charged with a Common Foul (CF) and had A1's attempt been successful A1's attempt would have been scored, and if Team B had been in the bonus, B1 would have been awarded FTs.

That is the correct ruling.

MTD, Sr.

I know what the rule was.

My "why" was for the need for anybody to dig up the HS rule from 30 years ago.

Because until about thirty years ago the NFHS Rule and the NCAA Men's/Women's Rule were the same. Then about thirty years ago the NFHS and NCAA Women's Rules Committees adopted the rule that we have know and which the NCAA Men's Committee finally adopted for this school year.

I could go into the history of why the rule change was adopted thirty years ago but I am past due for my post-breakfast nap and the time for my pre-lunch nap is fast approaching. Ain't being retired great, :p.

MTD, Sr.

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To me, this implies that in previous years, a collegiate player could have left the floor, released a shot, <i>then plowed into a defender,</i> been whistled for a PC, have the ball go in the basket, and <b>still have been credited with two points!</b>

Any truth to this one?[/QUOTE]

The player was "whistled" for a push. Not a PC.

Read my post (#7).

MTD, Sr.

That works too. I'm sorry i didn't read it all earlier. I was laughing because I knew what BNR was asking in post 6. I went straight to post 8 when I saw you start discussing the play :) take care.

Edmund Burke Quoted On The Forum ...
 

“Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it.”

As a retired middle school science teacher, with over thirty years of classroom experience, I know that concepts are easier to understand, learn, and remember, when one knows the background information regarding what went into the discovery of that concept.

Those who keep referencing older rules have trouble keeping up with the new ones

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Context ...
 

Actually, I have an easier time understanding new rules (or anything) when I understand the evolution, and context, of that rule. Some people are good memorizers, I'm not, as were many of my students. I learn best, and most of my students learned best, by understanding something, not just memorizing something. Maybe this is peculiar to teaching, and studying, science, but I believe that it covers a lot of learning situations in life.

Again, some are good memorizers. I'm not. I envy them.

1979 Player-control foul limited to the player holding or dribbling the ball

1983 An airborne shooter is a player who has released the ball on a try and has not returned to the floor; player control extended to include the airborne shooter

Actually, no. It has never been the case that a player could be charged with a player control foul and still score a basket.

When a player control foul occurs -- in NFHS or NCAA, for as long as I can remember -- the ball is dead immediately.

In previous years, an airborne shooter could release a try then charge into a defender and the basket would count; but that's because it was not a player control foul. Once the try was released, player control ended. So it was simply a common foul with no team control (like a rebounding foul); and if the ball went in, the basket was scored. But if the charge occurred prior to the release of the try, then it was a player control foul (since the shooter was still holding the ball), and no basket could be scored.

This year the definition of "player control foul" was changed to include a common foul by an airborne shooter.

I know I'm being a stickler, and I know Rich and Jet both know this. But I thought it might be important to understand exactly why the old rule yielded that strange result, and it no longer does.