Backcourt count

[Mlancaster]

Here's a question that came up at our association meeting recently.
We had an IAABO rules guru, one of the best, bring this up....

Team A has the ball in their front court. The ball is deflected by team B and rolls into A's backcourt.... And rolls a while before A picks it up. Team A runs back and retrieves the ball near the free throw line. When does the 10 second count for backcourt violation start? When team A gathers the ball or when the ball first touches the backcourt?

It was said the count starts as soon as the ball touches the backcourt because Team A still has team control of a ball inbounds, in their backcourt after the deflection. I have never seen anyone count in this situation.....until A picks up the ball. If they did it may help with the understanding that any foul by team A while the ball is rolling in the B/C is a team control foul. I normally would not start the count until the player from team A has control. I may have always been wrong..... I see nothing in the rules to support or deny this.

Thoughts?

[bballref3966]

That is correct.

I had a situation like this in my scrimmage this week. Gave the tip signal when the ball touched the backcourt and began my count immediately.

[Camron Rust]

That guru was correct. Team control continues in NFHS and NCAA rules after a deflection by the defense, the ball gains backcourt status the moment it touches the floor in the backcourt, and a team can not have control of the ball in the backcourt for more than 10 seconds.

[referee99]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

That guru was correct. Team control continues in NFHS and NCAA rules after a deflection by the defense, the ball gains backcourt status the moment it touches the floor in the backcourt, and a team can not have control of the ball in the backcourt for more than 10 seconds.

NCAA-W the new count in the backcourt does not start until the ball is touched. AR 211.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by referee99

NCAA-W the new count in the backcourt does not start until the ball is touched. AR 211.

I think you mean AR 221, and that's a different play (starting from a throw-in) from the OP (starting from the ball in-bounds)

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I think you mean AR 221, and that's a different play (starting from a throw-in) from the OP (starting from the ball in-bounds)

Uh oh, I hope this doesn't lead us down a familiar road.

[crosscountry55]

In NCAA mechanics where you'd normally rely on the shot clock for the 10-count, do you start a visible count in this particular situation or do you just glance at the SC and make a mental note of the time?


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[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

In NCAA mechanics where you'd normally rely on the shot clock for the 10-count, do you start a visible count in this particular situation or do you just glance at the SC and make a mental note of the time?


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Crosscountry:

That is an excellent question. I will ask one of my friends that are still officiating college basketball.

MTD, Sr.

[bob jenkins]

I think the only time you use a visible count (in NCAAW) is when the shot clock is off.

[justacoach]

Explained years ago by the very highly esteemed Jurassic Ref

[Refhoop]

Can one of you tell me if the back court rule for the 10 second count are the same for NCAA men's and women this year?
I.E.: I understand that only three situations prohibit a reset of the 10 second count: Ball OB (without having established FC status), Held ball (w/ no change of possession) and Technical foul on the offensive team.
What about a timeout by the offensive team?
Women's provides for a reset of the 10 second count - is this the same for men's?
Tried researching it online, and figured asking you would be faster and more educational!
Thanks!

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Mlancaster

Here's a question that came up at our association meeting recently.
We had an IAABO rules guru, one of the best, bring this up....

Team A has the ball in their front court. The ball is deflected by team B and rolls into A's backcourt.... And rolls a while before A picks it up. Team A runs back and retrieves the ball near the free throw line. When does the 10 second count for backcourt violation start? When team A gathers the ball or when the ball first touches the backcourt?

It was said the count starts as soon as the ball touches the backcourt because Team A still has team control of a ball inbounds, in their backcourt after the deflection. I have never seen anyone count in this situation.....until A picks up the ball. If they did it may help with the understanding that any foul by team A while the ball is rolling in the B/C is a team control foul. I normally would not start the count until the player from team A has control. I may have always been wrong..... I see nothing in the rules to support or deny this.

Thoughts?

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Crosscountry:

That is an excellent question. I will ask one of my friends that are still officiating college basketball.

MTD, Sr.

A former student of mine (he became an OhioHSAA basketball official when he took and passed my basketball officiating class many many years ago) and is now a Men's Div. I official told me that in the case of the OP the T is to use the Shot Clock for the new 10-Second Count.

MTD, Sr.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

A former student of mine (he became an OhioHSAA basketball official when he took and passed my basketball officiating class many many years ago) and is now a Men's Div. I official told me that in the case of the OP the T is to use the Shot Clock for the new 10-Second Count.



MTD, Sr.

Thanks, Mark! Great inside info.


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[Raymond]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Thanks, Mark! Great inside info.


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Inside info?

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