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Bear69 Sat Nov 07, 2015 08:21am

intental fouls
 
A1 is intentionally fouled by B1 during the act of shooting and the try is successful. The official ruled that A1 would receive two free throws and team A would receive the ball out of bounds at the point of interruption. Was the official correct.

AremRed Sat Nov 07, 2015 09:09am

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Originally Posted by Bear69 (Post 969221)
A1 is intentionally fouled by B1 during the act of shooting and the try is successful. The official ruled that A1 would receive two free throws and team A would receive the ball out of bounds at the point of interruption. Was the official correct.

Yep.

bob jenkins Sat Nov 07, 2015 09:10am

See the penalty section at the end of Rule 10.

Freddy Sat Nov 07, 2015 09:10am

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Originally Posted by Bear69 (Post 969221)
A1 is intentionally fouled by B1 during the act of shooting and the try is successful. The official ruled that A1 would receive two free throws and team A would receive the ball out of bounds at the point of interruption. Was the official correct.

See Casebook 4.19.3 SITUATION A for your answer

JRutledge Sat Nov 07, 2015 10:28am

All intentional fouls are 2 shots and the ball except for one situation. When the intentional foul is a missed 3 point shot, then they get 3 shots. A made 3 point shot is also 2 shots and the ball.

Peace

BigCat Sat Nov 07, 2015 10:38am

..and they get the ball out of bounds "at the spot nearest the foul." The "point of interruption" is not involved.

Nevadaref Sat Nov 07, 2015 04:04pm

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Originally Posted by Bear69 (Post 969221)
A1 is intentionally fouled by B1 during the act of shooting and the try is successful. The official ruled that A1 would receive two free throws and team A would receive the ball out of bounds at the point of interruption. Was the official correct.

Does this part make the official incorrect? Hard to say for a written test.

bwburke94 Sat Nov 07, 2015 05:07pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 969244)
Does this part make the official incorrect? Hard to say for a written test.

Most likely it makes the official incorrect. They get the ball at the spot nearest the foul, not at the point of interruption.

I wouldn't be surprised if over 50% of test-takers marked it as correct, but as worded it's incorrect. Always look for wording like this.

Adam Sat Nov 07, 2015 05:51pm

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Originally Posted by bwburke94 (Post 969247)
Most likely it makes the official incorrect. They get the ball at the spot nearest the foul, not at the point of interruption.

I wouldn't be surprised if over 50% of test-takers marked it as correct, but as worded it's incorrect. Always look for wording like this.

1. I don't know if this is a test or a question written by a coach who wanted to prove the ref was wrong.
2. If it's a test, you're right, technically.
3. I was about to say the two are almost always the same, but the reality is they are only the same if the player was fouled prior to releasing the try.

Camron Rust Sun Nov 08, 2015 02:48am

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 969249)
1. I don't know if this is a test or a question written by a coach who wanted to prove the ref was wrong.
2. If it's a test, you're right, technically.
3. I was about to say the two are almost always the same, but the reality is they are only the same if the player was fouled prior to releasing the try.

Isn't the foul always prior to the release when the player is "in the act of shooting"? Thus, the POI would, in this case, always be at the spot of the foul.

BillyMac Sun Nov 08, 2015 11:30am

Exception ...
 
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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 969265)
Isn't the foul always prior to the release when the player is "in the act of shooting"?

Airborne shooter?

JRutledge Sun Nov 08, 2015 12:53pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 969265)
Isn't the foul always prior to the release when the player is "in the act of shooting"? Thus, the POI would, in this case, always be at the spot of the foul.

Yeah, but do you really want to us the term POI on this type of play when all fouls not resulting in shots are at the spot of the foul. POI suggests that it is always where the ball is located. That might get confusing when you have off-ball fouls.

Peace

Camron Rust Sun Nov 08, 2015 02:03pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 969279)
Yeah, but do you really want to us the term POI on this type of play when all fouls not resulting in shots are at the spot of the foul. POI suggests that it is always where the ball is located. That might get confusing when you have off-ball fouls.

Peace


Not really, but, in this case, it isn't completely wrong.

Camron Rust Sun Nov 08, 2015 02:03pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 969272)
Airborne shooter?

I guess you're correct. :o

I was mixing up the fact that a player is only an airborne shooter after they release the ball.

JRutledge Sun Nov 08, 2015 02:12pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 969293)
Not really, but, in this case, it isn't completely wrong.

I do not think anyone said it was completely wrong. Often the POI is the spot of the foul are the same. But in the rules they only refer to POI when specific things happen like inadvertent whistle, interrupted game, correctable error and double personal, technical and simultaneous fouls.

There is not mention of spot of the foul in Rule 4-36, which could easily get confused if we use the terms interchangeably IMO.

Peace

Adam Mon Nov 09, 2015 12:17am

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 969265)
Isn't the foul always prior to the release when the player is "in the act of shooting"? Thus, the POI would, in this case, always be at the spot of the foul.

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 969272)
Airborne shooter?

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 969294)
I guess you're correct. :o

I was mixing up the fact that a player is only an airborne shooter after they release the ball.

I was originally thinking they would normally be the same until I thought of the airborne shooter.


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